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ninthace · 06-28-2006, 03:01 PM

*follows Ralph's example*

I'm with you!
Though I didn't know Gameware was thinking about an upgrade (instead of a dedicab). Either one would be awesome though.

As for the big three Steve would concern himself with as stated by wolf2ktd:

Name recognition: I think the best way to reassure Steve that walk-ins would still play ITG is to get reassurance from other arcade owners. We could ask owners/managers if there was a difference in the money a machine made when it switched from DDR to something else, or if the arcade never had DDR, then how much does the machine make. I guess this would be like finding more places like the Laser Tag wolf2ktd mentioned.

The Machine: While there are locals who clean the pads to working condition, the sensors that are in there will not work forever. A full set isn't needed, but another eight at the least will be needed sometime soon, sixteen would be preferable.

Cost: The sensors will just add more to the cost, and I would guess that businesses don't like spending more money than they must. Another route that we could explore with the raising money in a tournament would be to cover maintainance costs such as sensors. Gameware could drop $11K for a ITG2 dedicab or $3K for an upgrade, but if they upgrade, there will still be bad sensors. I think that is part of why Stephen (the manager) is opposed to an upgrade, at least when I talked to him last. What if we used the money taken in from the tournament to buy new parts for the machine? While $500 is a fair amount towards an upgrade, it doesn't guarantee anything. Buying parts to help the machine out could still be taken as the players' dedication to the machine, and if Steve still isn't convinced, the money doesn't just disappear into something else: it goes straight into DDR.

The tournament

About the tournament, divisions for every difficulty would be great, but time might be a hinderance. I think a one day deal could go one of two ways: plain old PA (single or double elimination) or a team format with seeded pairings (it could include all levels at once). Those are the fastest methods that I know. However, if we did expect a lot of people for multiple divisions, then we could find a long weekend and hold the tournament over the course of two days.

Wolf2ktd, I'm assuming you want as many people as possible to attend such a tournament. If that's the case, "soon" might not be best. There are already three LA tournaments in July and one early August (PIU team-Metarie 7/15, Citiplace tourney-Baton Rouge 7/22, PIU BEAST2-Baton Rouge 8/1 ,and Rkade tourney-Alexandria 7/15).
Early August marks the start of school for most people. The two options I see are very early August, before public school starts or wait until a holiday weekend such as Labor Day. Early August might be bad because of the string of tournaments right before then, and there may not be enough time between a Gameware tournament being finalized and then for out of town people to make arrangements to come to it. A holiday weekend would be ideal for players to make it out to a tournament, but if there's a big sale going on in the mall, then Gameware might be too keen on holding a tournament on such a weekend.

Here's what I propose for a possible date: if Gameware will allow Labor Day, aim for then. If Gameware does not allow Labor Day, try for the weekend before. That should be enough time for people to make arrangements, but not be too far into the semester for students to be swamped by schoolwork. This is assuming you want one big tournament and not lots of smaller ones.

We can also get sponsorship for the tournament to replace prize value lost by the money going to Gameware. Red Octane would probably sponsor it, but I don't know where else to look. Ideas?

Well, that's my brainstorming for the moment. Let's make this work!

06-28-2006, 03:01 PM	#2
ninthace //bemanistyle::[User] ninthace is offline Join Date: Jun 2006 ninthace's Collection Posts: 1 Marketplace Rating: 0	follows Ralph's example I'm with you! Though I didn't know Gameware was thinking about an upgrade (instead of a dedicab). Either one would be awesome though. As for the big three Steve would concern himself with as stated by wolf2ktd: Name recognition: I think the best way to reassure Steve that walk-ins would still play ITG is to get reassurance from other arcade owners. We could ask owners/managers if there was a difference in the money a machine made when it switched from DDR to something else, or if the arcade never had DDR, then how much does the machine make. I guess this would be like finding more places like the Laser Tag wolf2ktd mentioned. The Machine: While there are locals who clean the pads to working condition, the sensors that are in there will not work forever. A full set isn't needed, but another eight at the least will be needed sometime soon, sixteen would be preferable. Cost: The sensors will just add more to the cost, and I would guess that businesses don't like spending more money than they must. Another route that we could explore with the raising money in a tournament would be to cover maintainance costs such as sensors. Gameware could drop $11K for a ITG2 dedicab or $3K for an upgrade, but if they upgrade, there will still be bad sensors. I think that is part of why Stephen (the manager) is opposed to an upgrade, at least when I talked to him last. What if we used the money taken in from the tournament to buy new parts for the machine? While $500 is a fair amount towards an upgrade, it doesn't guarantee anything. Buying parts to help the machine out could still be taken as the players' dedication to the machine, and if Steve still isn't convinced, the money doesn't just disappear into something else: it goes straight into DDR. The tournament About the tournament, divisions for every difficulty would be great, but time might be a hinderance. I think a one day deal could go one of two ways: plain old PA (single or double elimination) or a team format with seeded pairings (it could include all levels at once). Those are the fastest methods that I know. However, if we did expect a lot of people for multiple divisions, then we could find a long weekend and hold the tournament over the course of two days. Wolf2ktd, I'm assuming you want as many people as possible to attend such a tournament. If that's the case, "soon" might not be best. There are already three LA tournaments in July and one early August (PIU team-Metarie 7/15, Citiplace tourney-Baton Rouge 7/22, PIU BEAST2-Baton Rouge 8/1 ,and Rkade tourney-Alexandria 7/15). Early August marks the start of school for most people. The two options I see are very early August, before public school starts or wait until a holiday weekend such as Labor Day. Early August might be bad because of the string of tournaments right before then, and there may not be enough time between a Gameware tournament being finalized and then for out of town people to make arrangements to come to it. A holiday weekend would be ideal for players to make it out to a tournament, but if there's a big sale going on in the mall, then Gameware might be too keen on holding a tournament on such a weekend. Here's what I propose for a possible date: if Gameware will allow Labor Day, aim for then. If Gameware does not allow Labor Day, try for the weekend before. That should be enough time for people to make arrangements, but not be too far into the semester for students to be swamped by schoolwork. This is assuming you want one big tournament and not lots of smaller ones. We can also get sponsorship for the tournament to replace prize value lost by the money going to Gameware. Red Octane would probably sponsor it, but I don't know where else to look. Ideas? Well, that's my brainstorming for the moment. Let's make this work!