Can it be proven that DJ Tiesto live gigs are pre-recorded???

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You know, seeing how digital performance is becoming more and more popular since it's cheaper, easier to manage, and has better audio quality, the term "DJ" or "Disc Jockey" is, in my opinion, becoming an outdated term.

But, a DJ does not have to be mixing/spinning/scratching/whatever electronic music, or hip hop music, or anything else that is more defined by a beat. A DJ can be a dude who plays music for a dance (like weddings, high school dances, etc). He doesn't necessarily have to mix anything.

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Originally Posted by DM Ashura

So are Kors K and Ryu* bad DJ's as well? Last I checked they do their shit prerecorded as well.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not all of their performances are pre-recorded. I can't speak for kors k but I know that Ryu* is a sick dj from raw unedited performances I've listened to.

Even though paradox is making himself look like a gigantic elitist douchebag, hes absolutely right, pre-recorded mixing is NOT what being a dj is about. Saying that pre-recorded mixing is considered "dj'ing" would be saying that the 40 year old guy that presses fart noises and alarm sirens on a console on your favorite light-fm station is a real dj.

Now the other thing is, should you care if it's a pre-recorded mix? Depends. If it is a performance, almost ALL electronic artists you love, use pre-recorded mixes in some form or way. Unless you have ten people on stage, electronic music needs some form of automation, even if its a cue sheet that sets off certain loops at certain points. But, what most artists do, is add a human aspect to it. You can compare this to Daft Punk, who even though used pre-rendered and pre-set tracks on Ableton Live for all their performances everywhere, used completely original effects, splicing, chopping, and decontruction with their moog voyagers, that made all their performances unique. During their Paris show, they even gave a completely improvised encore performance, which was incredible to say the least.

Considering Thomas Bangalter is one of the best house dj's on the planet, it would be totally stupid to judge his dj sets with his "performances". So just learn to recognize that there is indeed a difference from doing a dj set, and doing a live performance.

Someone asked how to tell if the mix is pre-rendered in someway. Very easy way to tell: Is the EQ perfect? Are the transitions smooth as butter 100% of the time? Then its pre-mixed in some way. There is no such thing as a perfect live mix. Its absolutely impossible without some kind of pre-set or pre-made list.


PS: Listen to a tiesto performance and listen to NO+CHIN's promo set, and you will now know the difference between live mixing and performance.

PSS: Do you people realize you are arguing over TIESTO?

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Originally Posted by The Chemist

Even though paradox is making himself look like a gigantic elitist douchebag,

It happens.
A lot.
A whole lot.
D:

But you know the argument has been raging for a long time about what a DJ is now with the appearance of Digital DJing. Me personally, I can't beatmatch that well yet, so I use counters. Mainly because my first set was requested of me by a friend and I didn't have time at all to learn. And so far, while I've been really small, I haven't learned yet.

A lot of people give DJ's flack if they can't beatmatch. But I know DJ's who can beatmatch and (sorry) sound worse than I do because they, well, their mixes just aren't good. They're too typical, they're not diverse, all their music sounds exactly they same. A word to the wise, don't sit down while you're mixing.

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Beat matching is a lot more than just BPM you realize

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Originally Posted by The Chemist

Beat matching is a lot more than just BPM you realize

Hmm, what do you mean?
I'm talking strictly about getting the two songs going at the same speed.

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beat matching isn't just about BPM, its about matching actual songs as well.

Anyone who practices and trains their ear can match BPM's (its stupid easy now with cd players), but it takes someone with a lot of intuition and experience to be able to mix the actual songs. Being able to hear two songs and say to tell that one sounds best after the other is a skill

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Oh, well yea. See that's what DJing is all about. It's about making a good mix of songs, it's about telling a story with your music, it's about reading the crowd and saving people lives. DJs can be like superheros. DJs can change people. Good DJs. You know?

Not like Tiesto.

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Yeah something like that