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01-03-2008, 02:52 PM
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And i'm not happy because in the rules for championship now is allowed to use bars in the speed male. And, WTF is the Speed team (2 persons)??? I hope to that will change, as other things is re-changed in 2007.
but... the other things sounds better. *_*
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01-05-2008, 04:56 PM
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01-12-2008, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kimbrasil allowed to use bars in the speed male. | Well, say goodbye to competitive play as we know it; it's gonna be like DDR with FCs and winning by a great. | |
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01-12-2008, 11:05 PM
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01-16-2008, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MC Yiffalot Well, say goodbye to competitive play as we know it; it's gonna be like DDR with FCs and winning by a great. | why is this such a big deal to pump players? it's not "goodbye to comepetitive play" it's just a change
did speed mods kill competitive ddr? no
did allowing bar usage kill it? no
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01-18-2008, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ranatalus why is this such a big deal to pump players? it's not "goodbye to comepetitive play" it's just a change
did speed mods kill competitive ddr? no
did allowing bar usage kill it? no | Because it actually takes skill to play no bar?
and because competitive PIU isnt competitive DDR, and has it's own set of standards which exceed those of competitive ddr.
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01-28-2008, 06:20 PM
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01-29-2008, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ledline of /flex Because it actually takes skill to play no bar?
and because competitive PIU isnt competitive DDR, and has it's own set of standards which exceed those of competitive ddr. | i agree that it takes more skill to play no bar but that doesn't really answer my question. it's not going to kill the competitve scene but it seems like every pump players hails bar usage as the dance game apocalypse
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01-29-2008, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ranatalus i agree that it takes more skill to play no bar but that doesn't really answer my question. it's not going to kill the competitve scene but it seems like every pump players hails bar usage as the dance game apocalypse | Not all do, but a lot of players from Latin America valued no-bar play because for a LONG TIME only no-bar was allowed in tournaments. Every player in tournaments has practiced and worked hard to do well with no-bar, and they feel shafted because the hard work and practice will go out the window with the bar rule (that is, people who didn't practice no-bar are fine while people who practiced no-bar just wasted their time). Although I'm neutral on it, I totally understand why many PIU top-tier tournament players are kind of miffed over the whole thing, since they practiced their butts off for no-bar for a long time. | |
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01-30-2008, 08:46 AM
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Total Tokens: 70,528.02 Donate Tokens | i can understand that feeling, but i again liken it to speed mods in ddr. when ddrmax came out there was a LARGE group of the "hardcore" audience that refused to touch them because they felt that all the work they'd done learning the game on 1x would be meaningless. i can remember even as recently as 2 years ago that there was a 1x no-bar tournament around here somewhere.
i'm not trying to be insulting or anything, i view it as being just kind of a progression of the game. as stuff gets harder, fewer and fewer people are going to be able to (or even bother to try) doing things no bar
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01-30-2008, 03:38 PM
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"If we can pass this chart with a C no-bar, it goes into the game."
The charts were designed to take into account no-bar, so it's obvious it's pretty significant to PIU culture. The game may be getting harder, but the abilities of players are growing to the point where everything can be done no-bar (except RAW and Bee [a] NM, but those charts are very "special")
There are TONS of bar players, to be sure, but there are lots of no-bar players as well. And there are some in-between.
I don't think the speed mod is really the same kind of issue. It was a feature added into the game at the time, so no one could have taken advantage of it till MAX.
The bar, however, has been with us always, so anyone could've used the bar at anytime, and people have. "Official" Andamiro tournaments never really happened till 2005, and prior to that, in the Extra days of <= 2000, tournaments were mostly freestyle or freestyle only, so, for a while, speeding rules weren't even considered. There were speeding tournaments later, but none of the large scale of WPF. (Let's not even mention the near death of PIU in 2003-2004 because of two crappy mixes, Premiere 3 and Prex 3.) 2005 was the first year of official tournaments along with the no-bar rule set in place. 2006-2007 with the hardest charts ever kept this rule in place.
And now 2008 comes, with NX2, which DOESN'T have anything harder than the hardest in 2007 in either Arcade or Special Station, and a bar rule is placed... it's kind of strange, isn't it? It MIGHT make more sense if AM stepmakers made something WAY harder and more stupid than Bemera NM, but they didn't. It's not a change I care about, but I'm sure a lot of competitive players are scratching their head at this point, while bar players are rejoicing. It certainly does feel like a progression... particularly since strong players from Latin America can make the hardest charts look pathetic and will only grow.
Anyway, I'm not sure how long this bar rule will stay since it was thrown out last year as well in the middle of the year.
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01-30-2008, 07:47 PM
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But yeah, if that's the case then I guess my argument is somewhat invalid 
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