Having trouble with combinations

[stinlin]

I recently found a PIU machine that has 25 cent plays, 4 songs a game. So I started getting into it after getting bored with DDR/ITG for now.

I was doing well, but I've gotten to the 7's and 8's that have combinations that seem impossible to do without double stepping or turning all the way around (which seems wrong...). Is there something I'm missing? I know you should be able to do it without that, but I'm confused...Any PIU experts feel like helping me out?

Thanks so much!

[Kyosuke Kagami]

If you could tell us which songs you're talking about, it'd be easier to help you

[stinlin]

I'll be honest - I can't think of any off the top of my head since I really don't know the songs very well. I remember one remix course we did (it's a 7th international machine) was one of the courses where the level was ?? and the BPM was 195 if that helps?

[cj iwakura]

That sounds like Dignity Full Mix. Hard metal with lots of yelling?

It definitely requires a lot of spin-stepping. You don't have to spin to hit those runs, but its a lot easier. There's ways to shift around and use the same foot twice so you don't need to spin, but its trickier. Fun if you can pull it off though. Its best to experiment with easier songs that have spins in them, like Greenhorn and Beethoven Virus.

Dignity's one of the toughest songs in the game, so its a bad place to start.

[stinlin]

Yeah - that does sound about right. I'll remember those tracks you said and work on those to see what I should try and do. Thanks! Any other easier songs that would be worth my time to get better?

[BanYa4eVr]

If you want spins play Starian on Hard.
the whole song is one big friken spin xD ( with a few tricks ;P )

Also you could play GO on Hard as well.

[stinlin]

Now is there a way to do it without spins? I've seen videos of WPF speed and they're not spinning...

[BanYa4eVr]

Well Starian Hard and Starian CZ are two whole different charts.
I'm still used to Zero, and haven't played NX yet so I don't know what the rating system looks like, but Hard = Blue. CZ = Pink

WPF they're doing the CZ chart.
And really, if its for speed, no one's trying to impress ^^u

But yeah, on hard, that song is full of turning sideways, spinning two full times, and stuff like that.

[Davyn]

There are a few songs that are made to make you spin in a circle, best examples on Zero (which you're playing) are beethoven virus and starian on hard mode. There are almost no songs on crazy which actually require you to turn all the way around. There are some songs with very complex twists, but nothing that can't be learned to do properly. One thing that will definitely get you better at pump it up, is to NOT DOUBLE STEP unless you're playing something very fast and difficult. Pump it up stepcharts are made specifically so you don't have to double step. Try playing Greenhorn, Deja Vu, and Turn Around without double stepping. They're low bpm songs with lots of nice twists and turns.

[Kyosuke Kagami]

There are actually some hi-lv songs that require you to spin. See Extravaganza CZ [a] as an example.

Of course, that kind of spins are kinda hard to make without enough experience.

[stinlin]

What about Moonlight Hard? It's patterns in there that trip me up a LOT - I don't really understand how to do the twists and such that you guys all speak of, but I will be writing these songs down and taking them with me to my 25 cent machine, haha.

Any help on the mechanics of twists?

[BanYa4eVr]

Moonlight Hard at first glance looks like someone banged their head on a keyboard for most of the song.

But once you get the hang of recognising them, the twists aren't that hard to do. Moonlight's twists are really quick ones, but ...iono "twisty" ones XD.

I must say Moonlight Hard is one of my favorite songs to double-step though.

[Davyn]

Moonlight is actually a bit fast to learn crossovers on...try x-treme hard and pump me amadeus hard. very fun charts with lots of crossovers.

[stinlin]

Awesome! I will! Thanks a bunch!