Posting Marathons

ZanasoBayncuh · 08-15-2007, 03:29 PM

Sort of bringing up an issue that has been run into in the Simulation forum. I was hoping to have an outlet for the posting of marathons here? dieKatze said he was working on a solution for such an idea but I haven't heard anything since and I guess I was mostly wondering if it just fell through the cracks/was forgotten or if it got canned altogether, and if not, can it be done somehow?

Hiryuu · 08-16-2007, 05:58 PM

Marathon as in 5min+ file or Marathon as in course design akin to modding in ITG?

Besides, that's not too descriptive of a post to begin with. I'm lost. Far as I know marathons are publishable in either form in the database.

ZanasoBayncuh · 08-28-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiryuu

Marathon as in 5min+ file or Marathon as in course design akin to modding in ITG?

Besides, that's not too descriptive of a post to begin with. I'm lost. Far as I know marathons are publishable in either form in the database.

Marathons that cannot be posted yet, that would pretty much be self explanatory, in other words yes. A marathon, i.e. crs file that plays multiple songs back to back which may or may not have mod attacks within.

Hiryuu · 09-03-2007, 09:12 PM

Yea...and as I said, I figure that both are postable in the database. Your only problem with backing up a .CRS file with that is that you'd have to do it separately because you would likely traverse the 10MB line otherwise...unless you course you said something around the lines of 'here's the ZIP now go here and here and here and here and here and...etc.' until all the files were found.

If that's what you were getting out, definitely understandable. Probably one of the main reasons I've never really attempted making CRS files for the sheer fact that most people aren't going to be willing to do the ground work to go all around collecting files just to play a single course.

ZanasoBayncuh · 09-03-2007, 09:52 PM

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Yea...and as I said, I figure that both are postable in the database. Your only problem with backing up a .CRS file with that is that you'd have to do it separately because you would likely traverse the 10MB line otherwise...unless you course you said something around the lines of 'here's the ZIP now go here and here and here and here and here and...etc.' until all the files were found.

If that's what you were getting out, definitely understandable. Probably one of the main reasons I've never really attempted making CRS files for the sheer fact that most people aren't going to be willing to do the ground work to go all around collecting files just to play a single course.

#1, fairly certain that you aren't to post a course as a main download in the database. #2, why would you? #3, I DO mean releasing a zip with all files necessary for the course therein. No offense, but I'm totally bewildered at how this isn't self explanatory.

Hiryuu · 09-11-2007, 02:10 PM

No offense, but no need to be high and mighty. I didn't deserve a hint of it. I'm just confirming what you're trying to get at, nothing more.

Besides, that would be asking for the up-to-30MB line to be crossed and in that vein you'd have to pay for it. In moolah. I would assume the reason to against that to the 10MB line would be bandwidth constraints (i.e. you aren't paying for it) and if they did that then they may as well allow multiple simfile packs and simfiles that have huge videos, etc. etc...you can see where that's going. Besides, BMS wouldn't really get anything out of it other than an upped server bill. The most they're allowing are simple simfiles to be downloaded. Course files, as well as themes and other StepMania-related items, believe it or not, ARE allowed on the simfile database. They all relate.

Not to say you couldn't turn a server into such an idea for yourself and link to it through this site. That's about the best I would assume BMS would do towards your cause. Anything else would probably be asking much.

Now, we all learned a little something here? Try not to be so hard next time.

ZanasoBayncuh · 09-11-2007, 04:55 PM

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No offense, but no need to be high and mighty. I didn't deserve a hint of it.

There is no need to ask questions that one can answer themselves with a little common sense. #1 Posting <> Submitting. A post is a forum activity. #2 Why would you give access to a course file without the songs necessary to experience it? #3 *pounds head on keyboard* Don't take it so personal, just please act like we are BOTH thinking beings.

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Besides, that would be asking for the up-to-30MB line to be crossed and in that vein you'd have to pay for it. In moolah.

Dear GOD why would you want to post a course in the simfile database? Far too much confusion for future downloaders who don't know what to expect. Plus that would almost guarantee that you'd get very little downloads on it... kind of counterproductive for a project of that magnitude.

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Not to say you couldn't turn a server into such an idea for yourself and link to it through this site. That's about the best I would assume BMS would do towards your cause. Anything else would probably be asking much.

Um... this IS the concept. I believe I've specified before. It's basically the same thing done at ITGFreak when someone posts a new course: THREAD: "New Marathon - (insert name here)" within this post, a course name is given, possibly a list of songs and other small statistics about it, and a link to where it and all necessary files are located (unless they happen to be official charts, apparently).

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Now, we all learned a little something here? Try not to be so hard next time.

You know what... just forget it.

Hiryuu · 09-15-2007, 03:02 PM

With a posts like that, how could not take it as condescending?

And I think I will drop it, just for the fact that it wasn't going to be done anyways, given the rate of what things get done when there isn't any conversation about it here. That was the implication of that last post. You really need to drop the uptight act; it really doesn't do much for you.

ZanasoBayncuh · 09-15-2007, 04:30 PM

Oh no, I have failed at discussing Course Posting with hiryuu... I am doomed for life.

Hiryuu · 09-15-2007, 07:34 PM

i rofld

ZanasoBayncuh · 09-15-2007, 11:26 PM

It's okay to rofl, I'm just being stern, not condescending. Serious, not offensive. I let the unintelligent feel disrespected because I don't have time for them, if you learn this of me (and those like me) you'll learn what I mean to be insulting and otherwise. Just me being a bit of a smartass, pay it no mind.

cpubasic13 · 09-16-2007, 06:00 PM

Wasn't the main issue with distributing courses two things to concern with?

1) Official sims - They are not allowed to be directly linked here other than that one thread.
2) Too much advertising for other sims - Many people would make courses just for the sakes of advertising their sims.

I think if there was a .crs database (which doesn't sound like a bad idea actually) the courses should be divided into 3 categories, all of which require a course description (like a normal sim) and a songlist (so you can see which songs you are required to get):

1) Official Song Courses - These would be courses that use official songs in them. All the listings would have song name, artist (possibly), and DDR/ITG mix it came from.
2) BMS Sim Course - Courses that use sims present in the simfile database. Each sim in the listing would need to be linked to a sim in the database.
3) Other - Courses that are a combination of the above as well as other sources (such as other hosts and such).

I'm interested in seeing something like this put in place.

ZanasoBayncuh · 09-16-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cpubasic13

Wasn't the main issue with distributing courses two things to concern with?

1) Official sims - They are not allowed to be directly linked here other than that one thread.
2) Too much advertising for other sims - Many people would make courses just for the sakes of advertising their sims.

I think if there was a .crs database (which doesn't sound like a bad idea actually) the courses should be divided into 3 categories, all of which require a course description (like a normal sim) and a songlist (so you can see which songs you are required to get):

1) Official Song Courses - These would be courses that use official songs in them. All the listings would have song name, artist (possibly), and DDR/ITG mix it came from.
2) BMS Sim Course - Courses that use sims present in the simfile database. Each sim in the listing would need to be linked to a sim in the database.
3) Other - Courses that are a combination of the above as well as other sources (such as other hosts and such).

I'm interested in seeing something like this put in place.

This doesn't really come close to covering what I'm talking about. A course db would probably be mostly ignored and a waste of space. Plus, any good course download includes all the songs and what-not needed within the original download rather than having to hunt down all the relative files (which people would not do).

Hiryuu · 09-17-2007, 06:24 PM

You know...with all the bashing you've done for the ideas and thoughts thrown out, you really haven't proposed a solution for it yourself...which since you seem to be the person to go to in this situation then you must have a plan for how the would work for this site.

I mean is the purpose of this thread because your Sidology sims with course had an issue in a thread a while back due to sim advertising?

ZanasoBayncuh · 09-18-2007, 12:11 AM

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You know...with all the bashing you've done for the ideas and thoughts thrown out, you really haven't proposed a solution for it yourself...which since you seem to be the person to go to in this situation then you must have a plan for how the would work for this site.

I mean is the purpose of this thread because your Sidology sims with course had an issue in a thread a while back due to sim advertising?

I'm not bashing the ideas, I'm simply saying they don't fit.

Here's the story with that old thread. It was never locked, I was never called on it, and I don't think the moderators cared, in fact I believe I remember a mod posting within it. It listed a link to a *.zip which contained the *.crs file for my marathon SIDology along with the three songs which it pertained to.

Like I said, I believe that it was within that thread that a discussion ensued with dieKatze, within which we discussed that making thread posts about new marathons (i.e. ITGFreak style) may be inappropriate here and that he would be pursuing a solution to the problem because he too felt that courses and marathons were a massively overlooked feature in this community.

The ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD was really to reach out to a moderator for the purpose of finding out if any such solution has been sought. I don't mind discussing it here. But the fact of the matter is that as dieKatze and I discussed it I actually had a small solution. The fear within the moderative minds here about the concept is, as stated before, things such as posting marathons/courses for the sole purpose of adverting one's sims or the posting of official stuff.

I can address both of these pretty easily.

#1, a shit ass course won't be advertising much, so courses could not possibly be mass produced for this purpose, it would be just as much work to produce a course as it would be to make two or three more sims (if it's a good one).

#2, it would make official stuffs no more or less protected from the database. Honestly, if one was inclined to, they could upload a crapload of official files under the guise of whatever name they wanted. Sure, it would probably be eventually found out, removed, and the user would see some consequences. The situation would be no different with this.

Honestly, this concept is probably pretty null here the DB way or even my way as this community obviously doesn't have much of an interest for courses, this isn't quite the same kind of community as ITGFreak. Which is not a bad thing, I'm a bit more comfortable when the "elites" are not over 60% of the community.

But like I said, I was really just asking the mods if they'd looked into the concept anymore than just that convo with dieKatze, nothing more.

Also like I said, hiryuu, I'm not saying what I'm saying with intent to piss people off. I'm just a bit of a wiseass and that's just how I word things. I meant no offense, don't take it so personally, if I have offended you I apologize, but take please take it differently next time as this is just the way I work.

This is my final post on the topic. ~PEACE~