Requiring a member be registered two weeks before rating simfiles

[Omega8bit]

I support this idea.

I'm far from the best simfile creator but I don't think any of my simfiles deserves 1's or 2's.

[MadDogBV]

Perhaps force somebody to make a comment if they want to rate a simfile 1. (And it better not be "5char"). I fully agree with the proposition here. Hell, somebody had the nerve to rate Spork's "Stay With Me" a 1.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Hiryuu

The way I see it, it'll make them look worse in public anyways. And it'll make it harder for them to rate files rather than just getting a random or dumb 1 rating.

Honestly, that should've been enacted a LONG time ago. I'd rather read through a bunch of reviews than a bunch of numbers. A number tells me nothing.

Numbers aren't for you, they are for the people looking for simfiles.

[Hiryuu]

I realize that; it's a way to 'sell' the simfile. But at the same time, it's not like that's really what a simfile should be based on anyways. The actual -feedback- of a file should probably tell a lot more than the actual rating itself.

But then again, it may not. All that may do a good majority of the time is just display the hype of the simfile and not necessarily the technical quality of it.

[Keith]

That's not completely it. We have thousands of files and most users don't want to even look at them all. So they can look at the rating without clicking on a simfile to see if it's worth their time. If they see a simfile is rated a 1 or 2, they probably won't even bother clicking on it and reading the feedback.

Eventually we are going to allow searching by ratings also.

[ZanasoBayncuh]

Originally Posted by Keith

Numbers aren't for you, they are for the people looking for simfiles.

Originally Posted by Hiryuu

I realize that; it's a way to 'sell' the simfile. But at the same time, it's not like that's really what a simfile should be based on anyways. The actual -feedback- of a file should probably tell a lot more than the actual rating itself.

But then again, it may not. All that may do a good majority of the time is just display the hype of the simfile and not necessarily the technical quality of it.

Originally Posted by Keith

That's not completely it. We have thousands of files and most users don't want to even look at them all. So they can look at the rating without clicking on a simfile to see if it's worth their time. If they see a simfile is rated a 1 or 2, they probably won't even bother clicking on it and reading the feedback.

Eventually we are going to allow searching by ratings also.

The fact is that this system, if it were utilized properly by its community, should make known those who actually produce excellent work and weed out and maybe even discourage (as mean as it sounds) those who make total crap, or at least encourage them to learn how to do things better. If the comment/rate system were used properly then the overall game experience would begin to naturally better itself by making good work more known.

Have you ever noticed a simfile with an overall high rating (9 or above) that totally sucked? You ever wonder if the reason that it was highly rated was because the users haven't experienced much better? How sad is that?

[Hiryuu]

It's simple as if the person liked the song, they'll 10 rate it.

That's about the long and the short of it most times. 99% of the people that will download something here...well...aren't simmers. Obviously, they wouldn't know much about 'how good the file is'. They'll just assume it is. That, unfortunately, lies on us most times; the people that have an inkling of what we're doing (maybe not everything, but at least a good opinion by experience and not some newbjob).

[Omega8bit]

Originally Posted by MadDogBV

Perhaps force somebody to make a comment if they want to rate a simfile 1. (And it better not be "5char").

I was thinking of the same thing, only they'd have to provide a reason for any rating. That way admins can find "one raters" or people who vote 10s to boost average rating. There could be a comment box under the rating table, and you'd have to submit the form in order to rate the file. The "Report this Comment" would then be used to lets admins check the ratings and the comment, so see if it's a legitimate rating.

[Hiryuu]

Isn't that about the same thing that I suggested? >_> <_< ^_^

[ZanasoBayncuh]

Originally Posted by Hiryuu

It's simple as if the person liked the song, they'll 10 rate it.

That's about the long and the short of it most times. 99% of the people that will download something here...well...aren't simmers. Obviously, they wouldn't know much about 'how good the file is'. They'll just assume it is. That, unfortunately, lies on us most times; the people that have an inkling of what we're doing (maybe not everything, but at least a good opinion by experience and not some newbjob).

You ever find it funny when you see someone cheering on one of the worst files you've ever had the misfortune of experiencing, then find the exact same person leaving extremely poor feedback on a sim that is obviously quite well done? I just find it ironic, I know part of it is taste, but the other part has got to be stupidity or something.

NOT intending this to be a flame. But seriously, you wouldn't rate Tic-Tac-Toe a 9 then give Super Smash Bros. Melee a 3. Even if you didn't like SSBM you wouldn't be THAT silly.

[Hiryuu]

I've seen it...because I've seen it in some of my files that were utter crap but people liked it for the sim itself. There are certain files I've yet to re-release even at their download of around 2000 from the last go round (BMS 6) because of quality. Not saying I won't eventually redo and re-release them but... >_>

Can't really control what people like in that regard. You create a game full of songs that everyone's heard and somehow license it into a game and I guarantee you that the steps could be crap and it'd do well. :\

[Omega8bit]

Originally Posted by Hiryuu

Isn't that about the same thing that I suggested? >_> <_< ^_^

Oops, I didn't read that.

Originally Posted by Hiryuu

Can't really control what people like in that regard. You create a game full of songs that everyone's heard and somehow license it into a game and I guarantee you that the steps could be crap and it'd do well. :\

Very true; everyone has their own opinions [and most of them are bias for professionally done simfiles] and we can't control that. But we can control truly ridiculous ratings/raters.

[ZanasoBayncuh]

Originally Posted by Omega8bit

But we can control truly ridiculous ratings/raters.

Somehow I disagree that we can control them. We can take steps like the one from this thread to take a step towards making the problem slightly smaller. But somehow I believe that the problem will still exist no matter what we do.

[Omega8bit]

Of course this problem will still exist. But it could clear some of the problems and that's better than nothing.

[ZanasoBayncuh]

Originally Posted by Omega8bit

Of course this problem will still exist. But it could clear some of the problems and that's better than nothing.

Isn't that what we've been saying the whole time?