Is it possible to 'downgrade' from ITG2 Dedicab to DDR? (talk about dedicab)

[recessionatalus]

I'm not so sure

it can autogen background movies, I'm sure it's something that is just turned off.

[Månåtor v0.25]

Well, I went through the main .ini file and settings, metrics and everything on the ITG PC, which is just a pc build of the AC, and auto-gen can't be found anywhere.
But to prevent any more trailing off topic, if it's possible to convert from DDR to ITG, I'm sure the same could be done the other way 'round.

[recessionatalus]

there are differences between ITG PC and AC, they removed a lot of things that could allow for hacking.

now that I think about it a little more, if auto-gen steps IS still in it, at the very least it's turned off.

[K.AuthoR]

IIRC, you need a FEMALE TO FEMALE JAMMA CONNECTOR. So I'm guessing that here you would just need the System 573 there in place of the dedicab comptuer in this case.

[Kalek]

It doesn't look quite as simple as disconnecting the boxor and connecting the 573. There are pictures of the inside of a dedicated cabinet at http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=8180909 , and there is no JAMMA connection.

[K.AuthoR]

Eh, this was awhile back, and I wasn't even sure if I remembered correctly. Just thought it may help. =/

[tyam]

Okay this entire idea is dumb, but basically to do this, you would need to do this:
1) Take ITG box(or) out and all other innards.
2) Buy a DDR machine or somehow obtain not only a System573 unit, but also all the other stuff inside the DDR machine. Swap all parts.
3) ?????
4) PROFIT! (not rly)

[sherl0k]

if you ask me putting EX in an ITG cabinet is an upgrade lolol

[h0s3nb4Üg3n]

Well, as it stands right now, first you can't downgrade without possible reconstruction of the machine itself. The different versions of hardware alone do not allow for correct sync'ing issues, which is one of the most difficult things to master when creating a dancing game. Secondly, ITG and ITG2 operate on a solid-state hard drive where DDR Extreme works off a disc. RoXoR created a 'converter' for this on the Konami cabinets, but there is no such device to do the opposite. My apologies. Dedicabs stay dedicabs for the time being. With enough time and effort you could technically load the DDR Extreme disc as an image which the dedicab could run if the correct processes were installed on the hard drive, but again, probably not going to happen because that means someone with $10k+ cash and lots of times and brains would have to go after that. If I bought one for home, then maybe..... (grins evilly). Sorry. :-(

- h0s3r, Godfather of Andretti's Thrill Park, Melbourne, FL

[recessionatalus]

uh

the hard drive being in a static state wouldn't matter because the CD is also static and isn't going to change

ever

as for using something like daemon tools to mount an image of the extreme CD, you'd have to write an emulator first

I don't think it's as impossible as you're making it out to be

[mastapsi]

Originally Posted by ranatalus

uh

the hard drive being in a static state wouldn't matter because the CD is also static and isn't going to change

ever

as for using something like daemon tools to mount an image of the extreme CD, you'd have to write an emulator first

I don't think it's as impossible as you're making it out to be

I may be new, but I think he's trying to imply the timing issues between CD and HDD. As someone who has loaded IIDX CS games on HDLoader, I can tell you that you can very easily lose sync with an image system. For instance, disc media reads faster on the outside of the disc, but that is not a problem with HDDs because of the small amount of space an equivelent amount of data would take up.. So while the DDR compensates for that, the ITG does not, so you would run into problems right there.

No to mention the fact that while ITG is merely a program, the DDR contains both the OS and the program. And because its proprietary, it tends to be very specific about hardware. In fact, hooking it up to anything other than a JAMMA connector may also throw it off sync, or worse, not even recognize.

The easiest way to pull this off is to gut the ITG dedicab and gut a DDR machine, and replace all of the ITG equipment with the JAMMA parts from the DDR machine. And I dont need to tell you how cost effective that would be.

Although and application like MAME might be able to pull it off.

BTW

Roxor will sue. Konami will sue.

[Uber-Zeo]

Originally Posted by sherl0k

if you ask me putting EX in an ITG cabinet is an upgrade lolol

Wrong forum to say that stuff at, dude. >_>


And remember,

Originally Posted by sherl0k

PUNCH ME IN THE FACE AT BEMANIFEST '06

[recessionatalus]

Originally Posted by mastapsi

I may be new, but I think he's trying to imply the timing issues between CD and HDD. As someone who has loaded IIDX CS games on HDLoader, I can tell you that you can very easily lose sync with an image system. For instance, disc media reads faster on the outside of the disc, but that is not a problem with HDDs because of the small amount of space an equivelent amount of data would take up.. So while the DDR compensates for that, the ITG does not, so you would run into problems right there.

No to mention the fact that while ITG is merely a program, the DDR contains both the OS and the program. And because its proprietary, it tends to be very specific about hardware. In fact, hooking it up to anything other than a JAMMA connector may also throw it off sync, or worse, not even recognize.

The easiest way to pull this off is to gut the ITG dedicab and gut a DDR machine, and replace all of the ITG equipment with the JAMMA parts from the DDR machine. And I dont need to tell you how cost effective that would be.

Although and application like MAME might be able to pull it off.

BTW

Roxor will sue. Konami will sue.

for keysounds; yeah, the rate at which the media is being read could be an issue, but for DDR I seriously doubt it will matter that much.

as for the last part of your post, if you wanted to put DDR in an ITG cab you'd just have to pull off something similar to the hack job done to put ITG in a DDR cab

[jonphamta]

I think i'd be easier just to import the theme/songs onto the machine.

Although doing such things is illigal...

which is not condoned on this board...

or by myself...

[recessionatalus]

First of all you can't put themes onto an ITG cabinet, they don't work properly.

Second, that doesn't make it a legit machine with legit scores, it just makes it another hack.