So about ITG's fate...

Zoness · 08-05-2007, 12:40 AM

I'm sure this has been discussed before. Well Konami totally owned Roxor, literally now. They said there weren't going to be any new ITG releases or at least that's what I've heard. So... here are some random questions to ask yourself:

1. If they did make a new ITG game, or release "ITG3" what would they call it? I think for legal reasons they would have to rename the game if they did release it. Out of the Groove isn't very catchy. :P

2. So do you think with ITG's fate sealed, someone somewhere has the next games source? Do you think they will release it on the net? And would that mean anything since no company is going to get it legally since Konami owns it.

3. Does it make you sad that there are no more In the groove games?

Just wondering what everyone thinks.

Legion Of Sound · 08-05-2007, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoness

I'm sure this has been discussed before. Well Konami totally owned Roxor, literally now. They said there weren't going to be any new ITG releases or at least that's what I've heard. So... here are some random questions to ask yourself:

1. If they did make a new ITG game, or release "ITG3" what would they call it? I think for legal reasons they would have to rename the game if they did release it. Out of the Groove isn't very catchy. :P

2. So do you think with ITG's fate sealed, someone somewhere has the next games source? Do you think they will release it on the net? And would that mean anything since no company is going to get it legally since Konami owns it.

3. Does it make you sad that there are no more In the groove games?

Just wondering what everyone thinks.

1.I doubt it very much

2.ITG fate was sealed ages ago

3.Hell No...It serves Roxor right for putting ITG in DDR cabinets without asking Konami first....If they asked in the 1st place or they would do is pay a royalty fee for making a mix similiar/exactly like DDR

FLAESHAL · 08-05-2007, 02:03 AM

hi i have a lot of itg3 stepfiles you can't have

Daniel · 08-05-2007, 03:20 AM

Konami isn't trust worthy. They tried to bully Andamiro out of the dance game market from the very beginning of dance gaming's existence. Plus they simply ignored American interest in dance gaming so they got what was coming to them with ITG. People forget how old DDR Extreme got as the more than 2 years wore on.

Kaykun[Stoked] · 08-05-2007, 06:34 AM

Konami's got a super-successful franchise so they can't even make ITG games anymore.
It would totally ruin their idea of DDR even if it meant making more money.

They're just weird like that. I doubt they'll release ITG3 or whatever title they give it, because solely... they don't want to hire people that will make it "better" or have the old DDR staff get in on it, because it won't be hard enough or every song will be repetitive like the MAX songs.
ITG will never be the same without the original makers.

Kyle's Fascination Maxx chart was almost as bad as Euphoria's. So I really don't want to see a desperate attempt at copying ITG for what its worth.
(note: isn't saying Kyle makes bad charts, faxx and euph were just bad imo.)

Legion Of Sound · 08-05-2007, 10:29 AM

Konami shouldn't have tried 2 kick Andamiro out of the dance game market in the first place since the Pump It Up series is totally different to DDR.
another example is AmuseWorld EZ2 Dancer series which is totally different from Pump It Up and DDR.

OrangeRight · 08-05-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoness

1. If they did make a new ITG game, or release "ITG3" what would they call it? I think for legal reasons they would have to rename the game if they did release it. Out of the Groove isn't very catchy. :P

If you meant, "what if Roxor makes another ITG game under a different title?" Konami doesn't just own the ITG name. They told Roxor not to infringe on their intellectual property rights. That includes their dancing game patents. One of the people who worked on ITG has already worked on a sort of spiritual sequel, it's called "Pump It Up Pro."

If you meant, "what if Konami makes ITG3?" Think like a company. Producing two of anything would cost double than producing one. Konami believes DDR will sell more than any other dancing game. Why spend twice as much money to make two different four-panel dance games when one of them isn't going to bring back as much money as the other?

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Originally Posted by Zoness

3. Does it make you sad that there are no more In the groove games?

R21, Hacked machine, or Stepmania.

I still have options other than DDR.

Razer · 08-05-2007, 12:37 PM

To me, it would not matter if they did or didn't make ITG3 since odds are that a hacked ITG machine would have the ITG3 songs. If you can hack the AC cabinet, odds are that the arcades would not buy what would have been the newest game. It would only appeal to Arcades that haven't uploaded their own songs in the AC.

Hypothetical situations aside, ITG3 will never be released officially. Konami is not going to release two four-panel dancing simulation games, which is tragic since that would probably mean that they would probably not replace the old DDR AC pads with the pads used for the In The Groove machines. I would personally bet that even by the time Supernova 5 or whatever comes out in the Arcades, they will still be using the same shitty pads they have been using for almost a decade.

Mr_Owen · 08-06-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Razer_2mb

Hypothetical situations aside, ITG3 will never be released officially. Konami is not going to release two four-panel dancing simulation games, which is tragic since that would probably mean that they would probably not replace the old DDR AC pads with the pads used for the In The Groove machines. I would personally bet that even by the time Supernova 5 or whatever comes out in the Arcades, they will still be using the same shitty pads they have been using for almost a decade.

I believe Andamiro made said pads.

Zoness · 08-07-2007, 01:50 AM

Roxxor did pretty much have it coming to them Andamiro would be harder to nab at this point because their game is NOT a 4-panel dancing game, ah, the technicalities there :P

ExpressoLAN · 08-07-2007, 10:07 AM

Roxor Tried to make it a better game and they did.... its just that konami basically bitched about it and sued roxor.... and to think about it ... andamiro is ROXOR...

I also Have ITG 3 Songs...That havent been released to the public....

so in Roxor eyes ITG is over... But Not in other peoples... eyes

Nuff Said

wanna talk more... email me.

ExpressoLAN@gmail.com

Mr_Owen · 08-07-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoness

Roxxor did pretty much have it coming to them Andamiro would be harder to nab at this point because their game is NOT a 4-panel dancing game, ah, the technicalities there :P

Stepmania was an exact copy of DDR, and ITG was a modified Stepmania engine. The PIU engine has a different scrolling speed, interface, panel setup, arrow design, menu setup (the remix, battle, etc and the music channel selections). There is hardly any similarity. Also, PIU only hit the US home market once with little success, so PIU isn't stealing alot of business from DDR, and they really wouldn't gain most of the business that PIU gets if they close down Andamiro, because the music taste is very much different between the two games and PIU is more of a freestyle oriented game. Not to mention that DDR and PIU were created around the same time.

Zoness · 08-07-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Owen

Stepmania was an exact copy of DDR, and ITG was a modified Stepmania engine. The PIU engine has a different scrolling speed, interface, panel setup, arrow design, menu setup (the remix, battle, etc and the music channel selections). There is hardly any similarity. Also, PIU only hit the US home market once with little success, so PIU isn't stealing alot of business from DDR, and they really wouldn't gain most of the business that PIU gets if they close down Andamiro, because the music taste is very much different between the two games and PIU is more of a freestyle oriented game. Not to mention that DDR and PIU were created around the same time.

Exactly, ITG and DDR were too similar, I wonder why Roxxor didn't consider this possibility beforehand. Most people know nowadays companies will sue for anything, and Konami had some ground on this because Roxxor started using their cabs without permission. In my opinion, had they have not done that they probably wouldn't have drawn enough attention to themselves to get shutdown. Maybe persecuted and sued by Konami but not totally ran out of business.

Kyrandian · 08-07-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoness

I'm sure this has been discussed before. Well Konami totally owned Roxor, literally now. They said there weren't going to be any new ITG releases or at least that's what I've heard. So... here are some random questions to ask yourself:

1. If they did make a new ITG game, or release "ITG3" what would they call it? I think for legal reasons they would have to rename the game if they did release it. Out of the Groove isn't very catchy. :P

2. So do you think with ITG's fate sealed, someone somewhere has the next games source? Do you think they will release it on the net? And would that mean anything since no company is going to get it legally since Konami owns it.

3. Does it make you sad that there are no more In the groove games?

Just wondering what everyone thinks.

1. 90% of Roxor worked on Pump It Up Pro, and, with the exception of about 5 songs, Pro is made up of ITG3 songs.

2. I Have ITG 4 Songs...That havent been released to the public.... want me to send them all to you... email me. I Am so cool.

3. No. In The Groove accomplished more than anyone could've hoped in the beginning. It left it's mark, and r21 and haxed cabs will allow the game to live on. Anyone who gets bored with ITG should try Pump Pro.

asterax · 08-08-2007, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoness

1. If they did make a new ITG game, or release "ITG3" what would they call it? I think for legal reasons they would have to rename the game if they did release it. Out of the Groove isn't very catchy. :P

2. So do you think with ITG's fate sealed, someone somewhere has the next games source? Do you think they will release it on the net? And would that mean anything since no company is going to get it legally since Konami owns it.

3. Does it make you sad that there are no more In the groove games?

1. "For legal reasons"? I thought Konami has all rights to ITG, as it was considered a total ripoff in a court of law. If they really wanted to, they could probably rename SuperNova 2 to In The Groove 3.

2. One of the SM guys probably has a backup of the source.

3. Not really. It's been said, with r21 and hacked cabinets, ITG will live on. It would be nice to have some official content, but I can put anything I want on a machine 20 minutes away. I think I'll live.