Vertex^3

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Asymptote

Vertex^2 is a very interesting mix of noise and experimental techno... two very legit genres of music. Comparing it to power metal by saying it has no "structure, form, and tune" means it's a musical genre that obviously flies over your head. Your personal idea of "structure, form, and tune" is not a deciding factor on what makes good music, especially for the noise/experimental genre, in which each takes a whole different meaning than the traditionally and conventionally structured songs and melodies of a genre such as Power Metal. No, it's not for everyone, but those who are into more challenging genres of music or are tired of convention would find much more to like in V2 than Power Metal. Power Metal is fucking dreadful.

Um experimental techno is a form of music. However noise is not "legit."

Originally Posted by Asymptote

I said the original was boring, and V2 was more interesting. Obviously if I think one is boring and one is interesting, which one do think would I would say is better? I never said that it ALWAYS does, as you seem to think I have.

VerTex (the original) actually had a few background tones, a hint of pitch in the places where the background tones were absent (real pitch, not that fake "unbearable cheese" in VerTex^2), and actual musical CHORDS that come in the form of descending arpeggios. In VerTex^2 these are shoved down your throat and come without any melodic quality whatsoever. In VerTex^2 the background tones were completely absent. There was NO pitch changing that added anything musically interesting.

And I DIDN'T think that you said "More interesting means better."

Originally Posted by Dj Dragon Man

IMO...Vertex^2 s only flaw was the absence of a steady beat in the beginning of the song, other than that, I liked it.

Oh it had a steady beat. But it was hidden behind the beginning crap.

[Enoch-Fox]

Damnit, this noisecore movement follows me everywhere.
Noise is the "Emporer's New Clothes" of musical elitism. I can't believe anyone actually WANTS to listen to it (they all spout off the argument "music isn't for entertainment, and if you think it should be you don't appreciate it" whenever threatened, like that vitriol-spewing dinosaur in Jurassic Park), yet all these 'I'm rly into music, no srlsy' kids listen to it and drop the names of the bands every 5 seconds because they thing it'll make them look more interesting.
"Oh, you don't like this music? Clearly you are a dumbass and not at all punk enough (not the music for GODS SAKE the attitude, the music is dead, sonic youth glenn branca) or artistically enclined enough to realize the simple facts:

1: Music is not for you to enjoy
2: Music is to make me look awesomer than you

Excuse me while I go listen to some Mars Volta played backwards at double BPM and call it progressive noise-core speed-jazz polka trance. oh, and IDM art-rock."

Whatever.

(Point: Jesus, let people like whatever music they want, there's abolutely no point in bitching at somebody just because they want to have melody in their music. Go ahead and like your Noise if you want, just don't go and force that unenjoyable drivel upon the rest of us.)

(Further blocking of "YOU HATE MUSIC" insults: Dragonforce is repetitive as hell. Their songs are all similar. Yet, the music still is usually enjoyable, if not totally ridiculous.)

(On topic: The Kyle Ward song "Vertex"? Like the original before ZigZag ate it? What Kyle Ward song?)

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

Are you saying that ZiGZaG is Kyle Ward or are you saying that Kyle Ward did a song called VerTex?

[DJ SymBiotiX]

Kyle made the original vertex. zig zag remixed it. The original is just like a very lax version of the remix. Personally the remix is way better.

also vertex ^2 is a good song. If you would actually LISTEN to it, you would realize that there are alot of melodic parts to it.

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

OK, the slowdown in VerTex^2 DOES have melody. But name another spot for me.

[captainjack360]

Originally Posted by dt_

Disconnected is to Paranoia as VerTex is to Max 300?

VerTex 1 is more like ITG's Max. (period) to me.
But I don't think there will be a V^3 anytime soon.

[tofootolliegrind]

i was talking to ryan mckenna, cause he randomly showed up at my arcade (bz in naperville) and i asked him if there was gonna be a vertex^3 and he said that zigzag isnt doing anymore itg stuff, so there probably wont be a vertex^3 and besides vertex^2 was terrible, but we can blame foy boy for that.

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

I'm sorry; for some reason I don't trust you on that.

[sylcmyk+]

The Easy Steps (or the Medium) is 5 times better than all the harder and ridiculously stupid difficulties. I saw it when noone was playing on the machine and a Demonstration was being shown.

[Torukine]

Originally Posted by tofootolliegrind

..so there probably wont be a vertex^3 and besides vertex^2 was terrible, but we can blame foy boy for that.

There could still be a V^3, just not necisarrily (sp.?) by ZigZag. I mean Kid Whatever remixed Disconnected did he not? He made it sound like shit but he still remixed it.


I personally loved V^2 though, steps and music. So I would welcome a V^3 with open arms.

[EdBoy]

Originally Posted by Paranoivm

The Easy Steps (or the Medium) is 5 times better than all the harder and ridiculously stupid difficulties. I saw it when noone was playing on the machine and a Demonstration was being shown.

He's right. I play Medium/Easy on ITG, and I played both for V^2. The steps were reasonable.

It's the stupid-ass Expert steps that don't make sense. It's one of those times where the stepmaker just decided "LOL LETS LEIK PUT RANDUM NOTZ AND MAK IT A 13 FOOTER LOL" and let it go.

[starstrike]

I liked BOTH VerTex's. (I hate VerTex^2's Expert steps, though. It's fine until after about the freeze with the distorted voice. Then it's nuts.) I wouldn't mind a third one, but I'm hoping it sounds more like VerTex. Out of both, that was probably my favorite one. And the steps made sense to boot.

[Victamone]

It scares me to read all these posts and see how many people actually liked Vertex^2.

[ANGRY ABOUT ENGLISH]

Originally Posted by Victamone

It scares me to read all these posts and see how many people actually liked Vertex^2.

Thank christ it's not just me in that category.

Also: I'm trying to figure out what the guy a few posts up meant. I'm pretty sure both VerTex songs were Zigzag, so where does Kyle enter into this? (Or am I missing something off one of his albums again?)

[DJ SymBiotiX]

Originally Posted by GatzBiZZLE

OK, the slowdown in VerTex^2 DOES have melody. But name another spot for me.

the whole song man... seriously