DJMAX Trilogy - Helpfulness Thread

[Hsanrb]

Originally Posted by katgirlfeli

Huzzah, i got my nice glowing package of DJ MAX Trilogy. Even though i was look at all its glory, i had to put it away and go to work... ><

In any case, my question is "Is there a way to change the button set for Fever (Spacebar), or do i have to figure out a new way to 5k"? (i guess without a key rebinder or something). I used to always use spacebar for my center key ><

Also, Is the key used for anything? Not the USB Key but the confirmation/validation code that came with my copy. I would think with the USB Key it would be enough to validate your copy of DJ MAX, or is this yet another security thing?

I guess those are my only questions atm before i could start playing the game.

Yes you can change your keyboard layout, but it would be wise to leave space bar as fever because you can only do 3 different keyboard layouts. (4K, 5&6K, 7&8K) so the layout you choose for 5 is the same you use for 6 and you get to see 2 different keys for the middle on 5k. Same for 7 and 8.

Pretty much say your keyboard layout for 6K is WERUIO, your 5K layout would become W,E,R AND U, I,O If you wanted to do WE IO, not sure where you'd put fever and where you'd put your 6th key since there are many courses that mix 5K and 6K gears. Hope I explained it even though I can't explain things if my life depended on it.

[katgirlfeli]

Originally Posted by Hsanrb

Yes you can change your keyboard layout, but it would be wise to leave space bar as fever because you can only do 3 different keyboard layouts. (4K, 5&6K, 7&8K) so the layout you choose for 5 is the same you use for 6 and you get to see 2 different keys for the middle on 5k. Same for 7 and 8.

Pretty much say your keyboard layout for 6K is WERUIO, your 5K layout would become W,E,R AND U, I,O If you wanted to do WE IO, not sure where you'd put fever and where you'd put your 6th key since there are many courses that mix 5K and 6K gears. Hope I explained it even though I can't explain things if my life depended on it.

No, i gotcha, thanks. It seems it'll be better to play 5k differently then, it'll help me learn 6k all the quicker without needing to switch from using my thumb in 5k or not (since it'll just be adding one key over, which should then continue for 7k/8k). It'll be like starting new though (well not exactly), i've played DJMAX 5k with spacebar for so long. Oh well, can't wait to get home and play it now that i have it.

[Yuki Ijuin]

If you're really needing that extra boost in accuracy. Use your index and middle finger on the keys S and D, or K and L depending on preference. As long as the song doesn't have jackhammers on key 3, you'll be fine using this set up.

[katgirlfeli]

Being able to try it for the first time last night, i'm doing pretty good (though not the best) with the default setup on 5k. I rely too much on my right hand for the center key (i think that's the hand I would normally hit space with my thumb with) rather than used both the J or F when the situation calls to make it easier.

At least i can still get 95% on Memory of Beach HD 5k, though i used to always do great on that song, i like it a lot XD Other songs I have greater difficulty but i'll get used to it i'm sure.

[Yuki Ijuin]

Don't worry, using F and J for the middle key takes a lot of practice, because when a key is pressed down, your second press on the alternate key will not register. You need to learn to strike the keys very quickly like for a piano or an arcade beatgame. I still can't do it properly. I'd rather just jackhammer it with one of my fingers.

[katgirlfeli]

I wasn't necessarily referring to jackhammer notes on the center key, but say that the upcoming keystrikes are heavily using the center, k and l keys. To lighten the load on using just my right hand, i could be using F instead of J for center, making it easier to do K/L notes, but my mind relies too much on J for center. I have tried though to alternate F and J on the jackhammers in the center, and have come to that realization that it wont register alternating that quickly ><

I'm doing better i think so, i played a lot of Memory of Beach HD and Stop NM on 5k, and its getting easier doing them over and over, though not perfect. Doing it in this format though, it helps to raise your palms higher though for better accuracy.. Maybe I just need slightly bigger keys where i can spread my fingers a bit and maybe that'll be easier. My fingers aren't really all that dainty.

I assume as you level, you unlock the harder difficulties for songs right? I'm hoping Oblivion NM isn't the only difficulty for Oblivion lol

[Yuki Ijuin]

Unfortunately your hopes will be dashed so quickly that a Bugatti wouldn't be able to get it back for you. Oblivion's charts are lacking in Trilogy, for reasons unknown.

As for the first issue, it doesn't really matter, as when you progress to 6K you'd have no choice but to do the same patterns with both hands. Using the other finger to lighten the load might score you one or two notes with better accuracy, but it won't exactly help you much in the long run, since scales ignore them, streams have too many notes for you to even care. The only problem concerning this are chords when a key is held down, those combinations are usually best done in a fixed manner, which might not neccesarily entail Left Index on F either.

[katgirlfeli]

whaa, you serious on that? No Oblivion 5k HD, MX, or even SC? lol, well isn't that a bit disappointing that they wouldn't include them, its not like they don't already exist or anything like that...

*goes to hoping for updates that include them*..

Does this go for all songs that are missing stepcharts? (like Astro Fight HD/SC 5k, etc)?... I guess maybe the other 6k/7k/8k had more time put in and maybe they feel more complete and have vaild NM/HD charts, still i don't see why already made charts should've been ignored ><

[Hypr]

Originally Posted by katgirlfeli

whaa, you serious on that? No Oblivion 5k HD, MX, or even SC? lol, well isn't that a bit disappointing that they wouldn't include them, its not like they don't already exist or anything like that...

*goes to hoping for updates that include them*..

Does this go for all songs that are missing stepcharts? (like Astro Fight HD/SC 5k, etc)?... I guess maybe the other 6k/7k/8k had more time put in and maybe they feel more complete and have vaild NM/HD charts, still i don't see why already made charts should've been ignored ><

It shouldn't come as a surprise that Trilogy was in fact a rush-job. If you have Portable 2, you will notice that some of the charts in Trilogy are an (almost, if not) exact carbon-copy of the charts from Portable 2. For example, compare Brand New Days on 6-key Hard.

[katgirlfeli]

I could understand rush job as in the network mode for example, but to not include pre-existing stepcharts is really cutting corners >< Again, with updates, there's no knowing that these may or may not be included in the future (here's to me hoping as usual), but even with 120 songs, and a lot of practicing to getting even nearly skillful in 6k, 7k, and 8k, i have a lot of work ahead anyway that I shouldn't linger in 5k forever.

Do 6k/7k/8k game modes feel a little more complete with the charts available? Are there still gaps missing in difficulties, or do most have at least valid NM and HD charts? Honestly, i never expected anything more than NM/HD for charts as MX/SC were merely bonus stepcharts (kinda like Challenge charts in DDR, it feels like an extra).

[Retriever777]

Originally Posted by katgirlfeli

whaa, you serious on that? No Oblivion 5k HD, MX, or even SC? lol, well isn't that a bit disappointing that they wouldn't include them, its not like they don't already exist or anything like that...

They don't already exit.

The keysound system used in Trilogy is EXTREMELY diferent. There's this new 'green' notes, which are a keysound and the main background layer of music. I mean, how could you EVER fix this in existing stepcharts?

[/sarcasm]

Even though this WAS a rushed project, it wouldn't have hurt anybody to just take the old ones and add them. Srsly. The green notes may be an excuse, but I think that applying the new functionality from Trilogy shouldn't be that hard, really.

HOWEVER, sometimes NM mode is actually harder than HD mode. That's of course comparing [in example] and HD stepchart in 5K and an NM chart in 4K. Truly, there's something that went wrong there. What happened? They used NM and HD charts from original DJMAX Online.

Now you see why they didn't use original stepcharts: they suck compared to what we play nowadays on the Portable series. But it wouldn't have hurt to include the old ones though... Even if they are noobish compared to "today's standards".

Just my opinion. That little fact is the only thing I found to be a bummer about the game. Everything else just rocks. [*Looks away from the Networking System.*]

[tehmatrix]

Originally Posted by katgirlfeli

whaa, you serious on that? No Oblivion 5k HD, MX, or even SC? lol, well isn't that a bit disappointing that they wouldn't include them, its not like they don't already exist or anything like that...

*goes to hoping for updates that include them*..

Does this go for all songs that are missing stepcharts? (like Astro Fight HD/SC 5k, etc)?... I guess maybe the other 6k/7k/8k had more time put in and maybe they feel more complete and have vaild NM/HD charts, still i don't see why already made charts should've been ignored ><

if it makes you feel better, one of the things ive noticed is Ray of Illuminati SC got a beef up, it seems a bit harder than what it used to be. Probably not that big of a deal though, i dont know many people who have drool over it nearly as much as oblivion. :p

[Yuki Ijuin]

Wait... What?
DJMAX Online charts "Noobish"?

You must be an extremely good player sir. I have a hard time full combo'ing things like RoI SC, Jupiter Driving MX. I can't even pass Astro Fight SC or Oblivion SC without certain amount of training.

The green note is, in a programming sense, the easiest thing they added in the series. Consisting with just a trigger of stopping BGM when not hit. I can prolly make a BMS file that does that, since by default IIDX bms formats breaks down the BGM into at least 14 sections.

It's more of a problem of note pattern style. Take Oblivion SC 7K for example, it was designed in such a way that it used the system the artist was familiar with back then (5 Keys, Scratch on Left, Pedal on Right, Ez2dj) Therefore creating the pattern that most violin stretches are on the extreme left and right end, making it clear cut.

With the new DJMP patterns, they now lack a reason to put those there as it'll be difficult to pull off, and yet, because of this, the notecharts you see now lack a central focus, whereas it has been a scratch and a pedal last time, the notecharts are now divided into left and right sections, there are very prevalent in songs like Ladymade Star or FTR.

Edit: To add to the discovery that RoI SC is harder, I'll also have to note that Outlaw SC as well as Can We Talk MX got a very significant boost in difficulty.

[tehmatrix]

good find yuki, ive ran through outlaw SC a couple times and didnt notice it was that much harder, i guess i always found outlaw SC a pain [it was my goal to pass it way back in the day, now people can pass it if they mash :-/].

Not to really hijack this thread, but is there a secret to actually playing really really well? do people train a certain way or something to get as good as i keep seeing online? ive been playing djmax for longer than almost everyone here [i cant name anyone whos played longer than me whos currently playing now, but ill hold off on claiming the title, its embarassing if i am ><], yet i still break average or maybe below average. Am i missing something, or do i just have a slow brain?

edit: to talk about what yuki and the green button said, i was thinking about that about an hour ago before i checked the forum. how crazy

[katgirlfeli]

You just gotta loosen your fingers and let them flow, though the only song i can say i do this best in is Memory of Beach HD 5k. Its not too hard to get a 100% Max on a note compared to most games and their idea of a "Perfect" hit (at least i think so), and DJMAX has a lot of great songs that keep a good beat. Just figure out where you make the most mistakes: Either hitting the notes too slowly, or hitting them to quickly, or a mix of both where if you hit one too late, you rush to hit the next one too soon and ruin the next few notes until it clears up. Basically just stay calm i guess o.x

For a songs like Astro Fight SC and Seeker HD (and many others, just these two come to mind first), you do have to kinda split your mind into 2 channels to do well. Most of Seeker HD has your left hand just alternating S and D, while your right hand is doing the beats in the song. Similarly, Astro Fight SC did the same thing, with faster S/D or K/L patterns that if you just simply have your one hand just alternating as a separate function of what's happening on the other side, the song gets much easier, at least that's how I could do it successfully with... still i wasn't the best on accuracy on Astro Fight SC though my highest i think was an 86%-88%, i don't think i reached 90%, Seeker HD at least a 95%+ (that is when i successfully split my mind, else i'll mess up during the chorus where it occurs)

Basically, to the untrained eye, a song may look like a bunch a "jumps" (damn DDR), or times where you're mostly pressing 2 keys at once and you clang the notes as if they were groups, or to the trained eyes, they're two separate streams of notes and then they're that much easier to hit.

Anyway, I can't really explain much else, been playing stuff like DDR and other music games for years, so dividing beats is what i've been doing for a while lol