bemani on widescreen

demonpoodle · 05-10-2009, 12:08 PM

i was thinking the other day to get rid of my tube TV and move to an LCD screen or something along those lines. but it seems that all you can get now is all wide screens. i know the PS2 has settings for wide screen but im not sure if that effects gameplay. like does it get distorted etc. i dont have anything to test it on. so before i get rid of my tube i was curious if anyone knows how it will work.

i am thinking of trying to hook up my ps2 to a pc monitor via composite video to VGA adapter. does anyone have any opinions on those? like good or bad or should i go a different way?

Blackraven · 05-10-2009, 12:32 PM

Well first and foremost, you've got to be using component connections. This is because composite video connectors will really give shitty picture (just like when I compared both JVC CRT TV with my newer Samsung LCD Widescreen TV for BM IIDX PS2 versions).

Another thing though to worry about is the lag. Apparently, most HDTV sets today are not up to it and thus the experience is unbearable (i.e. due to cost-cutting and lousy I-P conversion in the video processing engines of these TVs, etc.)

As of the moment though, only Panasonic Viera sets (starting from the 10th generation models) and a few Sharp Aquos sets are fully up to the task for making sure that playing Bemani games with your PS2 is a satisfying experience.

That's pretty much all I can say on this I guess....

demonpoodle · 05-10-2009, 01:48 PM

thanks, as far as TVs are concerned i know where to start but what about ps2 -> PC monitor? or did i misunderstand something? i know i need to get component cables but is that just for an HDTV?

also, is it possible to connect to a monitor? such as VGA or DVI ports? does anyone know the drawbacks of going in this direction? or if it even works? etc..

[edit] what third party component cables would you guys suggest since i cant seem to find official ones?

Blackraven · 05-11-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by demonpoodle

thanks, as far as TVs are concerned i know where to start but what about ps2 -> PC monitor? or did i misunderstand something? i know i need to get component cables but is that just for an HDTV?

also, is it possible to connect to a monitor? such as VGA or DVI ports? does anyone know the drawbacks of going in this direction? or if it even works? etc..

[edit] what third party component cables would you guys suggest since i cant seem to find official ones?

I'll try my best to answer this but judging from what you said, the success of your gaming experience on a PC monitor will have to depend on the PC monitor itself. If it is a CRT monitor, then the response should be spot on.

If it's is LCD, well.........that would depend on the response time of your monitor which is measured in milliseconds (and more importantly is not based on grey-to-grey measurements fyi).

demonpoodle · 05-11-2009, 08:39 PM

according to the specs of my current LCD monitor it has a response time of 5ms. i bought some cables to hook up the ps2 so i guess ill see how that works before i buy a new TV/monitor. thanks again.

when they get here, ill post my findings in case anyone else is looking for something like this.

Blackraven · 05-11-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by demonpoodle

according to the specs of my current LCD monitor it has a response time of 5ms. i bought some cables to hook up the ps2 so i guess ill see how that works before i buy a new TV/monitor. thanks again.

when they get here, ill post my findings in case anyone else is looking for something like this.

Sometimes, manufacturer-specified response times are considered as marketing gimmicks. Most likely, that response time posted is Grey-to-Grey (not full-black to full-white to full-black). Another example of how manufacturers uses marketing tactics to trick people.

In these cases though, the best way is to really test the game with the said monitor or display. If the results are at least satisfactory to you, then yup, the display should be sufficient enough for playing your PS2 on it

demonpoodle · 05-11-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackraven

Sometimes, manufacturer-specified response times are considered as marketing gimmicks. Most likely, that response time posted is Grey-to-Grey (not full-black to full-white to full-black). Another example of how manufacturers uses marketing tactics to trick people.

yea, thats what i figured. it seems tho that 5ms is average among manufacturer specs atm. so i guess that ill know how an "average" monitor will respond... approximately

also, as far as plasma is concerned, from what ive read there is supposed to be like no delay or something. are things like tv processing engines etc. really that bad on most of these sets? or does plasma have a completely different set of problems then LCD in respect to bemani?

Blackraven · 05-11-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by demonpoodle

yea, thats what i figured. it seems tho that 5ms is average among manufacturer specs atm. so i guess that ill know how an "average" monitor will respond... approximately

also, as far as plasma is concerned, from what ive read there is supposed to be like no delay or something. are things like tv processing engines etc. really that bad on most of these sets? or does plasma have a completely different set of problems then LCD in respect to bemani?

Wow, you respond quite fast

Anyways, to answer that,yup. Apparently, some manufacturers nowadays seem to market the 2-ms response time on their newer models (using Grey-to-grey). The common tactic indeed to easily fool the common folk......but whatever gets them sales I guess

Plasma sets seem to handle quite well (in some cases like in Panasonic or Pioneer plasma TVs, they are equal to CRTs in this department). Earlier downsides though of plasma include green phophor lag (on earlier generations of plasma TVs, you can see these green phosphor trails if you're eyes are keen on detail). Though the most problematic of all if burn-in (or as they call it right now: Image Retention). Good news is that it can be overcome though with newer models having better panels and better processing engines.

For LCD though, it is mostly motion lag that is notorious among LCD TVs. Interestingly though, newer TVs use motion interpolation techniques by increasing refresh rate (though in the case of PS2 games, this might not do much). Another problem unique to LCD TVs seems to be the concern of off-axis viewing.......as well as poor black levels (though LCD TVs using LED backlights seem to correct this problem

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demonpoodle · 05-19-2009, 09:21 AM

Hmm, this is unexpected. when i got my adapter in the mail, apparently the DVI port on my monitor is specialized and doesn't fit normal ones. Dell....

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also. i just tested the component cables i got on an LCD TV we have in the house and it doesn't seem to work right on IIDX anyway. i was testing it with IIDX 5th style. the PS2 itself works with the cables, i get the Playstation 2 logo thing at the start, then the screen flickers 1 or 2x, then my tv tells me that display is not supported.

i tried other games like thunder force VI and pop'n 9 and they worked fine but as for IIDX i tested 5 and 6 and both apparently don't support component cables

btw from what i've seen the display looks like shit even with the component cables. and yes i can notice the delay you mentioned