Hardest 13 footer?

[1306]

! Double. I saw the stepchart. There's about 24 steps in where you need hands.

[banzaigtv²]

I think that the hardest 13 depends on your strengths and weaknesses. If you are not good with mines, handplants, or odd step patterns, then VerTex² will be the hardest for you. If you just don't have the stamina to stand up to the punishment of a gazillion steps and jumps compressed into a 1:50 song, then Pandemonium becomes your worst enemy. If you don't have enough footspeed to handle 1/16th streams at breakneck speeds, then Summer ~Speedy Mix~ will give you the most trouble. Personally, since I have yet to improve with reading arrows in large minefields, then VerTex² is the hardest for me.

[XMaxX]

Hardest 13 block (IMO) is Vertex² doubles. The constant stream in the song always kills me.

[viperstrike07]

i agree vertex2 is definately the hardest of the three
also less people have been able to pass it as well

[bluefangwu]

I can pass every song constantly except Pandemonium and Bloodrush (Of course I play no bar).

VerTex^2 (no bar) really isn't that hard, only the ending until you get used to it (Just don't hit any mines). VerTex^2 is the hardest to score on, that is a very true statement, but definitely not by a long shot the hardest to pass.

I've passed Pandemonium at least 5-6 times (no bar) and I still have trouble passing it.

Summer ~Speedy Mix~ (no bar) is easy after you learn the step chart well and should be a 12.

Bloodrush (no bar) tears my legs up at the end and should be a 13.

Determinator (no bar) isn't that bad once you learn (umm... don't know what to call it, quick-twitch stream ability, lol, something like that).

I've gotten all songs above 90% (no bar) except:
Determinator - 89.39
Pandemonium - 88.64
Euphoria - 87.34
Bloodrush - 86.35
VerTex^2 - 83.19

I'm sure I could get all of them above 90% except VerTex^2, but it's still not the hardest 13 in my book, definetely Pandemonium or Bloodrush if it was a 13. I think Bloodrush is the hardest (no bar) since I have passed it the fewest number of times.

[modarius]

Euphoria and Vertex^2 are the hardest songs.
Vertex^2 is hardest on doubles, too.

[UndeadMushroom]

Vertex^2 has very chaotic rhythms for a very extended period, not much else.

Pandemonium is just plain old long and doesnt give a single rest.

Summer is comparable to Pandemonium, but has more complicated patterns but more rests.

Determinator has only one exceptionally difficult run, so once thats down I doubt anyhting else makes it harder.

Euphoria is just filled with chaotic rhythms, and mixed with a little complicated patterns, but is shorter in terms of step extention compared to the 13 party.

Energizer, Pandemonium, and Onyx are very similar in that they all have a lot of jumps, hands, and chaotic streaming.

Its been proven that the 64th rep's in Euphoria are faster than the determinator 12th runs.

Onyx Doubles does have the highest hand count.

My two cents is that for doubles, Onyx is the cake; and singles, Pandemonium. (A friend I know passed Pandemonium before anything else, so I support fully the original thesis that all the highest ranked difficulty songs are equally hard in their own unique ways.)

[ggg666]

pandemonium sucks

[captainjack360]

Originally Posted by ggg666

pandemonium sucks

SPAMBOT.

Anyways, in my opinion:

VerTex^2 - You need to handle weird patterns and dodging mines.
Pandemonium - Stamina and a little bit of complexibility. Otherwise, Pandemonium isn't very hard if you have the stamina.
Summer Speedy Mix - Speed. I'll classify this as the hardest 12 (Determinator is 2nd".
Euphoria - It's extremely hard to get a high score on this song. I don't see why this isn't a 13.

So, from easiest to hardest:
Summer ~Speedy Mix~
Euphoria
Pandemonium
VerTex^2

Of course, this is IMO.

[1306]

VerTex^2 wins for insane BPM madness.
Pandemonium wins the Stream-o-Mania award.
Summer (Speedy MIx) wins for Chaotic Champion.
! Doubles wins for the most sadistic doubles ever.

BTW, What about Delirium?

[Roasty]

If I was able to pass these songs, I would say that Vertex^2 is the hardest. This is because the complex rythems and the over loaded mine fields. Then, you have those insane bpm changes that throw you off. One last thing to convince you all, if your arcade has a messed up pad like mine and you are under 110 lbs, those hands at the really slow part are impossible. But if your good at all those things. Then Pandemonic.

[google666]

easiest 13 to pass with whatever crap grade but still pass is probably vertex^2 imo.

Begins with simplistics and add mines, which aren't too hard for me.
pauses with handplant and goes jumps -> stream -> jumps -> stream (not fast so pretty easy)
Back to something like the beginning but faster and with jumps. (gettin harder)
Then Theres a little streamy section with a few jumps. (harder part)
--break (for like 3 (?) measures)--
Now comes the vibrating feet part (for my anyways)
The end is the only really hard part, and I'm good at BSing stuff like that except for the mine run, but that just comes with practice.

Pandemonium isn't too fast, just loonngggg and no rests.
Summer -Speedy Mix- rightful 13 just because of the end 3 runs.

[LED_G]

Pandemonium...WAAAAA!!!

[Arkadian]

Originally Posted by Morning Blue

Coming from someone who can't even pass most 9s in DDR, here's my take;

THEY'RE ALL VERY HARD.

Amen to that, LOL.

[r4vn[152?]]

i think that they are all equally hard, but people will always have the hardest time with vertex^2. in the other two songs, it is possible to bs your way through most of it and still pass, but vertex^2 has so many mines that you can't do eanything like that. but in my opinion, vertex^2 actually takes less stamina than pandemonium.