Hardest 13 footer?

[Kσn]

I say summer, its the only 13 I cant do.

[Ravage]

It's so hard to pass any of these songs... How did you got those stamina...?

[THD5%]

in my personal opinion, though its not the topic of discussion- i still dub Summer a 13. Compared to the harder 12s, such as Hardcore Of The North, still seem easier than Summers ending, though it might just be me.

Anyways, on topic, the hardest is Vertex^2, mainly because if you dont trip up in the 'MAJOR' mine field, you trip up on the ending. if you put it in the way of a graph, the song gets harder at the end, so it looks like;

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvVVVVVV

after Vertex^2, i see Pande as the second hardest- i could regularly beat Summer before i could beat Pande.

guy above me- we build up our stamina. we didnt just step on the machine and beat the songs, we had to practice pretty hard to build footspeed and endurance.

[Ravage]

IC, I haven't finished any lvl 13 songs yet... I tried pande but burned all my energy in the jumping part... And I tried Vertex^2 but I can't control my muscles on the 1st BPM
increments...

[HYPERTASTIC]

Vertex^2 is Hardest 13 footer

lots of mine

I can play only 1.5X speed

[MaxxOverload]

Summer Speedy Mix should be a 12 because players that play on 12's will sometimes have to develop footspeed like that (i.e. Determinator), especially on the newer stuff coming out. Sure, back then it could be a 13 but now players are getting faster and faster, and it would probably be re-rated. Pandemonium is about stamina, and Vertex^2 is technical. All and all I think each 13 is difficult in its own way. But they are all difficult.