Gas Prices.

[kimcicle]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Not sure as to what you mean by this.

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edit GODDAMNIT RAVEN

[raptor192837]

Originally Posted by kimcicle

Obviously you don't know. It's apparent in your posts.

1. Hybrids are kind of stupid. People that are upside down on loans on those SUVs they got 3-5 years ago are selling for a loss and trying to get into Hybrid vehicles that are more environmentally harmful than most people think. (Research where the nickel for the Prius come from.) Compared to the Toyota Corolla, if you take into account the cost difference and the mpg difference, you won't break even for at least 5 years. It's not about what you drive, but how you drive it. When I really want to, I can hit about 28 MPG highway in my car; I just choose not to.

2. Gas prices are fine where they are. But you're going to say "GAS COMPANIES HAVE BEEN GETTING RECORD PROFITS!" and they are ripping us off or something. However, it's reported profits, not PROFIT MARGINS. The gas companies are running on a shoestring here, and slight deviations (like the rapid increase in the price of oil) have put some companies in bad situations. Exxon/Mobile, a huge player in the oil field, have decided they wanted to pull out of the retail gas market.

3. Boycotting Shell wouldn't do jack to Shell. The US Shell is large enough to take it, not to mention it's backed by an even larger Royal Dutch Shell. You'll just be hurting the owners of the gas stations, who can't absorb the hit as well as the big company can. Which in turns hurts your local economy. Which is just like fucking yourself in the ass.

4. There's a reason why gas at crappier places is cheaper; it's crappier. Feel free to put it into your cars, but I'm not going anywhere near that shit.

Gas prices go up, deal with it. The same thing happened when gas broke $3 a gallon at the pump; people learned how to live with it.

In short, I don't care where gas prices are. The difference between gas at $3 to $4 is maybe $15 a tank. Cut out the Starbucks and you'll be ok. Cut out the cable tv and you'll be fine. Cut out one designer pair of jeans and you'll be fine. If your budget is so shoestring that you can't cushion a $15 per tank deviance (or ~$60 a month if you fill up once a week), then you have bigger problems than gas prices.

Yeah i guess.
Thats why I'm asking.

[raptor192837]

Originally Posted by SF1

I've been noticing slight drops, and I'm about as far from Frisco as raptor.

On that note, wherein do you live?

Oakland/Alameda area.

[raptor192837]

Originally Posted by kimcicle

Obviously you don't know. It's apparent in your posts.

1. Hybrids are kind of stupid. People that are upside down on loans on those SUVs they got 3-5 years ago are selling for a loss and trying to get into Hybrid vehicles that are more environmentally harmful than most people think. (Research where the nickel for the Prius come from.) Compared to the Toyota Corolla, if you take into account the cost difference and the mpg difference, you won't break even for at least 5 years. It's not about what you drive, but how you drive it. When I really want to, I can hit about 28 MPG highway in my car; I just choose not to.

2. Gas prices are fine where they are. But you're going to say "GAS COMPANIES HAVE BEEN GETTING RECORD PROFITS!" and they are ripping us off or something. However, it's reported profits, not PROFIT MARGINS. The gas companies are running on a shoestring here, and slight deviations (like the rapid increase in the price of oil) have put some companies in bad situations. Exxon/Mobile, a huge player in the oil field, have decided they wanted to pull out of the retail gas market.

3. Boycotting Shell wouldn't do jack to Shell. The US Shell is large enough to take it, not to mention it's backed by an even larger Royal Dutch Shell. You'll just be hurting the owners of the gas stations, who can't absorb the hit as well as the big company can. Which in turns hurts your local economy. Which is just like fucking yourself in the ass.

4. There's a reason why gas at crappier places is cheaper; it's crappier. Feel free to put it into your cars, but I'm not going anywhere near that shit.

Gas prices go up, deal with it. The same thing happened when gas broke $3 a gallon at the pump; people learned how to live with it.

In short, I don't care where gas prices are. The difference between gas at $3 to $4 is maybe $15 a tank. Cut out the Starbucks and you'll be ok. Cut out the cable tv and you'll be fine. Cut out one designer pair of jeans and you'll be fine. If your budget is so shoestring that you can't cushion a $15 per tank deviance (or ~$60 a month if you fill up once a week), then you have bigger problems than gas prices.

And besides,
I don't really have the 15$-60$ or whatever gas problem is.

This again is why I'm asking for people for their take on the gas situation.
You probably have the best answer IMO.

[raptor192837]

Gosh im a loser.

[helix eternal]

Originally Posted by raptor192837

Gosh im a loser.

You know, down there in the corner, next to the quote button, on your own posts, there's an EDIT button that lets you add stuff to your post without having to make a new post every time. Just FYI.

I'm also concerned with the price of plastic along with the price of gas (plastic is made from oil too) so anything that comes in plastic is starting to see price increases, especially laundry detergent.

I live in the midwest, public transportation is absolutely ridiculous and nearly non-existant here. I can't take the bus to work, I have to drive, and my job is 20 minutes away from my apartment.

And global warming is bunk, cars do not cause global warming. Volcanoes are a bigger environmental hazard to the air than cars are, so go plug up some volcanoes any of you environmentalist hippies. I love animals and respect nature, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. Offshore drilling wouldn't affect the ecosystem barely at all. The ocean is huge, there are more than enough fish that would still be in "safe" and "healthy" areas of the ocean that a few oil rigs wouldn't even matter. Plus this planet has been around for what, 4.5 billion years? And humans have been around for 250,000. Anything we're doing that is "hurting the ecosystem" is child's play to what this planet has seen in its lifetime.

[sнυи]

raptor you didn't read kim's post at all, I can tell.

Also like helix said, never quadpost again, especially one-liners that really don't effect the discussion.

Also helix offshore drilling is not happening 'cause the fish will be very unhappy. The world's leaders asked them.

[Fuchikoma]

Originally Posted by raven_tkar

AND INSTEAD COMING TO VISIT ME

HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL FUCHI, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY MILES IT IS TO DRIVE UP HERE FROM IRVINE all that gas.

Exactly, she didn't want to make her money situation worse.

[helix eternal]

Originally Posted by Shun

Also helix offshore drilling is not happening 'cause the fish will be very unhappy. The world's leaders asked them.

Damn you, Charlie Tuna.

[kimcicle]

Originally Posted by helix eternal

And global warming is bunk, cars do not cause global warming. Volcanoes are a bigger environmental hazard to the air than cars are, so go plug up some volcanoes any of you environmentalist hippies. I love animals and respect nature, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. Offshore drilling wouldn't affect the ecosystem barely at all. The ocean is huge, there are more than enough fish that would still be in "safe" and "healthy" areas of the ocean that a few oil rigs wouldn't even matter. Plus this planet has been around for what, 4.5 billion years? And humans have been around for 250,000. Anything we're doing that is "hurting the ecosystem" is child's play to what this planet has seen in its lifetime.

[offtopic] Global warming isn't bunk, especially when you dig into paleoclimatology. Milankovitch cycles show that there are periods of warming and cooling that happen pretty much regularly in large spans of time.

Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not really that we're causing the heat, it's the debate as to if we're helping to accelerate the process. [/offtopic]

Also, I think it's not just we don't want to drill offshore for oil; it's just that it won't be cheap or easy as we're used to with currently tapped areas. These already tapped areas also have an "economic limit," where it would be more costly to continue production versus the amount of oil is being pulled out. The common practice at this point is to plug up the well, rather than getting the rest of the oil out.

We have other ways to make petroleum (Fischer-Tropsch, Bergius, and Karrick process) but it's so costly in comparison to organic petroleum it's not a viable way to make it. So the country's infrastructure won't come grinding to a halt due to the availability of fuel to operate vehicles, but it's going to get more expensive eventually.

Some guy said that gas will hit 3.50 by Labor Day weekend. So I guess you guys have something to look forward to?

[SF1]

Originally Posted by raptor192837

Oakland/Alameda area.

Ah, I'm just slightly north of you then. Rodeo, next to Vallejo.

[Blackraven]

I agree.

In fact an even bigger contributor to CO2 (that's even more deadly than automobile exhaust) is from the fart of cattle (mainly sheep, cows, goats, you name it).

You'd have no idea how much methane they release and hence they are one of the top five main reasons for the on-going climate change (or climate shift).

And solar panels are not as environment-friendly as they seem (with current manufacturing process). So yeah, unless they improve the energy efficiency of solar panels as well to reduce the carbon footprint of these, then they're no more as dirty as coal or crude oil.

[sнυи]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I agree.

In fact an even bigger contributor to CO2 (that's even more deadly than automobile exhaust) is from the fart of cattle (mainly sheep, cows, goats, you name it).

You'd have no idea how much methane they release and hence they are one of the top five main reasons for the on-going climate change (or climate shift).

And solar panels are not as environment-friendly as they seem (with current manufacturing process). So yeah, unless they improve the energy efficiency of solar panels as well to reduce the carbon footprint of these, then they're no more as dirty as coal or crude oil.

Top Gear had a segment with a car powered by methane (directly from the best source ;D). It was clearly the future.