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Old 05-05-2007, 08:44 PM   #1
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I stumbled upon this article when I opened Explorer:

Docs Change the Way They Think About Death - Newsweek Health - MSNBC.com

Even after someone "dies" of a heart attack, the blood cells are still alive. If they can find more shit on this then imagine how many lives can be saved
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Old 05-05-2007, 09:55 PM   #2
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Wow

This sounds like it could be the start of something big...incredible news, thanks for posting.
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Old 05-06-2007, 08:16 AM   #3
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The title you gave is kind of misleading... then again, we still don't have the best idea of exactly what death is. I like this definition myself, and no amount of medical intervention is going to bring you back from that because, by definition, it's mathematically impossible.
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:20 PM   #4
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Speaking as a member of our local ambulance corp, I'd like to say that this is pretty much a foregone conclusion. We attempt to perform methods of revival (CPR, Automated Electro-Defibulator, etc.), and if those don't work it means that the body cannot sustain life, as there's no other fancy way to re-start the body. As depressing as this is to say, CPR and AEDs still aren't very effective, with about a 5% chance of death. Not only that, the brain cells of a person die at a MASSIVE rate when the heart/lungs cease function, so even if they revived them there would be repercussions of brain damage, which is where terms like brain-death and 'vegetable' come from.

Which leaves us with three things that need to be done in order to make this discovery useful.
  1. Find a way to restart the heart outside of CPR and electrical defib.
  2. Find a way to reverse the brain damage
  3. Find a way to make the body able to sustain life once more.

Unless all three of those conditions are met, we'll either have people being revived only to die a short time later, a body that cannot be revived but can sustain life once more, or brainless zombies running around like Resident Evil.

And from the original poster's way of talking, we don't just put a blanket over them like Law and Order.
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:16 PM   #5
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As far as I know, brain damage is irreversible in extreme cases. As in, there's no way to fix it.
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Old 05-06-2007, 10:59 PM   #6
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Unless all three of those conditions are met, we'll either have people being revived only to die a short time later, a body that cannot be revived but can sustain life once more, or brainless zombies running around like Resident Evil.
If nothing else, we could keep said zombies around and save them for use in the most awesome interrogation tactic ever conceived.
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Old 05-14-2007, 07:09 PM   #7
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Even if the person "dies", they probably can't move. This makes u wonder a lot..... maybe people are actually "dead" but they can't move or speak or interact. What if we bury them and their stuck in the ground for eternity?!!
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Old 05-15-2007, 11:36 AM   #8
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Speaking as a member of our local ambulance corp, I'd like to say that this is pretty much a foregone conclusion. We attempt to perform methods of revival (CPR, Automated Electro-Defibulator, etc.), and if those don't work it means that the body cannot sustain life, as there's no other fancy way to re-start the body. As depressing as this is to say, CPR and AEDs still aren't very effective, with about a 5% chance of death. Not only that, the brain cells of a person die at a MASSIVE rate when the heart/lungs cease function, so even if they revived them there would be repercussions of brain damage, which is where terms like brain-death and 'vegetable' come from.

Which leaves us with three things that need to be done in order to make this discovery useful.
  1. Find a way to restart the heart outside of CPR and electrical defib.
  2. Find a way to reverse the brain damage
  3. Find a way to make the body able to sustain life once more.

Unless all three of those conditions are met, we'll either have people being revived only to die a short time later, a body that cannot be revived but can sustain life once more, or brainless zombies running around like Resident Evil.

And from the original poster's way of talking, we don't just put a blanket over them like Law and Order.
As someone who has died before, I can tell you that Sanjo is correct in every aspect.

Fucking Zombies.
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Even if the person "dies", they probably can't move. This makes u wonder a lot..... maybe people are actually "dead" but they can't move or speak or interact. What if we bury them and their stuck in the ground for eternity?!!
i hope with every fiber of my being that this happens to you
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