UFOs, Abductees, Aliens, and Crackpots

Brett · 10-21-2007, 01:50 PM

It sure is entertaining to watch programs about people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. I love how the narrators are always so overly dramatic about the stupidest shit. I'm actually watching one about doctors removing a "unknown object" , "possibly and alien implant". It was a tiny piece of metal, about the size of a pencil tip in some guys thumb. Why do people spend so much time babbling about this stuff?

Trick · 10-21-2007, 02:07 PM

Well it's pretty ludicrous to think we're the only lifeforms in the universe, it's just presented in a really, really ridiculous way to get people with weak minds to listen to the crazy folk

Some people love having something to believe in though, even if it's not some form of religion.

Brett · 10-21-2007, 02:19 PM

I don't think that Earth is the only planet with life on it, but if there are civilizations so advanced beyond our technology, I really doubt they would have any interest in us. If they can travel light-years in short spans of time, why would they come to Earth to hang out with civilizations that kill each other to prove their religion is more peaceful? Aside from using us as cattle, I don't see any reason to stop by earth.

Trick · 10-21-2007, 02:54 PM

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I don't think that Earth is the only planet with life on it, but if there are civilizations so advanced beyond our technology, I really doubt they would have any interest in us. If they can travel light-years in short spans of time, why would they come to Earth to hang out with civilizations that kill each other to prove their religion is more peaceful? Aside from using us as cattle, I don't see any reason to stop by earth.

Well if there's any race that's at our level or beyond , don't you think they would have SOME interest in us? Think about it, if humans discovered intelligent life, you can bet we'd try to go at least try to check them out. An entirely new planet of different exciting cultures to learn from, probably based off of an entirely separate evolutionary path.

It's fun to think about in a fantasy/Sci-Fi nerdgasm sort of way - They may have made first contact with earth when we weren't nearly as advanced as we are now, and they've just been keeping an eye on us. There could very well be SOME sort of strange truth to some of the ancient cultural references to extra terrestrials

Ztype · 10-21-2007, 03:03 PM

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why would they come to Earth to hang out with civilizations that kill each other to prove their religion is more peaceful?

Intelligence breeds war, which is why we'll probably never leave this rock. We'll ending up killing ourselves before we are able to. I'm sure that's the main reason why intelligent life is impossible to find out there, other then the fact that there's so much distance between us and everything else.

DeusExMachina · 10-21-2007, 03:46 PM

I am sure there is life forms out there, but if we would ever detect them, it would be through SETI who searches for artificially generated radio signals in the universe (although so far no success). To get to earth would require a massive self sustaining spaceship considering there is no place to stop for fuel, or food for at least hundreds of lightyears. A massive ship would be pretty easy to detect and the whole world would know if there was one nearby.

As for people who claim to have been abducted by aliens, either they are kind of cuckoo in the head or they just want media attention.

Pie-kun · 10-21-2007, 05:58 PM

Ha, I love watching those shows on the History Channel and what-not.

I don't think it's right to make fun of them, or call them names. For all we know, it could have actually happened, though I really don't believe it ever has. A lot of them are also being manipulated. They get "night terrors", or whatever the condition is called, go to one of those hypnotic regression people and Bam! False memory.

Geschpooklichkeit · 10-21-2007, 06:19 PM

What I want to know is why all alien races speak fluent English.

noisy doll☆ · 10-21-2007, 06:55 PM

If you think the whole SETI thing is interesting, I think you would really enjoy the book Contact. I read it over the summer without having seen the movie, and thought it was an excellent read despite being very technical at some points. It's not quite as sensational as most stories about extraterrestrial life are, but then again I think that if we did somehow make contact, it would probably play out very much like it does in this book.

DeusExMachina · 10-21-2007, 07:32 PM

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If you think the whole SETI thing is interesting, I think you would really enjoy the book Contact. I read it over the summer without having seen the movie, and thought it was an excellent read despite being very technical at some points. It's not quite as sensational as most stories about extraterrestrial life are, but then again I think that if we did somehow make contact, it would probably play out very much like it does in this book.

I saw the movie and its an interesting sci fi, although I don't know if we can analogously replicate that machine in real life. (I'd say no)

rogeriidx · 10-22-2007, 07:23 PM

Why do people babble about unidentified flying objects, aliens, and extraterrestrials? Well, why shouldn't we babble? Answer that question!

It would be pretty arrogant for us to think that we are the only living creatures in this vast universe. The only reason why there is life on this planet is by pure luck, the position of the Earth around the sun. Now if there are other planets in other galaxies with the same proximity to their sun, just like the earth, there's a chance that those planets may hold life.

Why Aliens would come to this lonely blue planet? Well, we could answer that question with our own actions. Ever since the idea of other living beings inhabiting the universe, besides our own, came into our heads. We relentlessly searched for signs of them. With this being the case, wouldn't Aliens do the same as well? To fulfill the joy of making a great discovery of epic proportions.

If people got abducted and no science could prove them wrong, then they mind as well could've been abducted. Saying they are complete nuts while watching T.V. is an immature decision.

Yes, I believe in other life forms, which are just as intelligent or more intelligent than us.

I AM THE PROPHECY. · 10-22-2007, 08:36 PM

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I don't think it's right to make fun of them, or call them names. For all we know, it could have actually happened, though I really don't believe it ever has.

Well, the burden of proof lies on them, so until they manage to conclusively show that they have had contact with a life form not of this planet then I'm absolutely going to make fun of them for this shit.

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Why do people babble about unidentified flying objects, aliens, and extraterrestrials? Well, why shouldn't we babble? Answer that question!

It's a waste of time and resources to search for things that aren't there, for one. I absolutely agree that there's probably life out there somewhere which is why astrobiologists and, to a substantially lesser degree, the SETI project are important, but you'll notice that most scientifically-minded folks don't bother to look for flying saucers, because they don't exist.

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It would be pretty arrogant for us to think that we are the only living creatures in this vast universe. The only reason why there is life on this planet is by pure luck, the position of the Earth around the sun. Now if there are other planets in other galaxies with the same proximity to their sun, just like the earth, there's a chance that those planets may hold life.

It took several billion years for Earth's life to develop to a point where one species could wander to the moon and back. The same strokes of luck that allowed us to reach this point could just as easily have been bits of misfortune that wiped the planet clean, so maybe there's nothing as advanced as us out there. Who knows for sure? I don't, but until someone can demonstrate that there are at least artificial radio waves being generated somewhere out there then I'm going to assume that's we're it.

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Why Aliens would come to this lonely blue planet? Well, we could answer that question with our own actions. Ever since the idea of other living beings inhabiting the universe, besides our own, came into our heads. We relentlessly searched for signs of them. With this being the case, wouldn't Aliens do the same as well? To fulfill the joy of making a great discovery of epic proportions.

Where are these supposed aliens coming from? How long have they been around? Why do they have technology that allows them to violate various laws of physics and make multiple trips? How did they manage to detect us? How were they so lucky that they stumbled across us by chance? How did they get back home quickly enough to tell others that we were here and organize return trips?

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If people got abducted and no science could prove them wrong, then they mind as well could've been abducted. Saying they are complete nuts while watching T.V. is an immature decision.

No, it's the most rational decision that can be made, since there's no compelling evidence. There's a difference between being open-minded and being a moron.

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Yes, I believe in other life forms, which are just as intelligent or more intelligent than us.

Prove they exist.

rogeriidx · 10-22-2007, 09:31 PM

You said it's a waste of time to find something that isn't there, yet you also said; "I absolutely agree that there's probably life out there." So which is it?

"If trying to find alien life forms is a waste of time, mind as well just scrap the majority of the trips to outer space. I don't know what you think is a waste of resources, but I believe that if there is a chance to make a discovery, then the expenditure of monetary funds is well spent! The point of Nasa is space exploration, trying to find other life forms is built into the the strategic goal. Who bloody cares if a majority of the scientifically minded folks don't go looking for UFO's? It's not like they have to or want to, maybe they don't even desire to. The scientifically minded folks that really give any serious thought to this idea are the ufologists and astrologists.

"Where are these supposed aliens coming from? How long have they been around? Why do they have technology that allows them to violate various laws of physics and make multiple trips? How did they manage to detect us? How were they so lucky that they stumbled across us by chance? How did they get back home quickly enough to tell others that we were here and organize return trips?"

If you want to know why, that's why humans are trying to find out more about aliens. Rather than saying all our efforts are just a waste of time and money. You pose the questions, the handful of scientists are trying to find out. Why are people complaining about the scientist's efforts?

"No, it's the most rational decision that can be made, since there's no compelling evidence. There's a difference between being open-minded
and being a moron."

Calling people morons while they talk about being abducted, on T.V. is the most rational decision? How is that true? As mentioned before, some of those abductees showed some proof of being abducted, they tried to prove their case. I got no proof to discount them. If stories don't match up and details were faked, I too would be suspicious. But there are cases where people's personal encounters of unexplainable details that can not be proven false nor definitely true.

"Prove they exist."
Prove they don't exist. Until you can, my beliefs are just as valid as the people who say extraterrestrials don't exist.

nVGDlm_zk · 10-22-2007, 10:42 PM

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"Prove they exist."
Prove they don't exist. Until you can, my beliefs are just as valid as the people who say extraterrestrials don't exist.

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Well, the burden of proof lies on them, so until they manage to conclusively show that they have had contact with a life form not of this planet then I'm absolutely going to make fun of them for this shit.

It's like a religious debate all over again, except replace magical sky wizard with magical space aliens.

snapps · 10-22-2007, 11:15 PM

I don't see why people have to be so isolated with their believes. Usually it's religious folk that choose to disbelieve other life. An example of some is that their enclosed beliefs keep them from accepting that they plainly see that the evolution theory is the closest theory man has probably gotten to correct, and yet some still deny it due to it interfering with their beliefs. They don't seem very outgoing and willing to try new things.

It's good to keep anything that hasn't been proven yet open for discussion about possibilities. Just because someone has a belief, doesn't mean they should have to deny anything else from proving their thoughts false.

Relating this to aliens, people should keep an open outlook on the subject of living life elsewhere. People shouldn't be quick to disbelief without factual evidence.

There was a woman I listened to that being interviewed that was incredibly convincing to the fact that life does exist and has made it to Earth. I forgot her name (she used her whole name to state herself), and someone had her interviews on Youtube. Does anyone know who this is I'm talking about?