French metrosexuals are evil (King of Fighters XI)

*Kyosuke Kagami* · 06-25-2006, 11:28 PM

So yeah, I'm surprised no one has created a thread dedicated to the FIRST KOF (since KOF 98) that doesn't suck!

Well, my experience with this game is sort of limited, because I can hardly go and play it at the arcades. Not a bad game, I must say:

-The backgrounds are actually good. Even the sprites received a good filter so they don't look like crap, and the special moves have better visual effects. Too bad all the post-2k3 chars and the new ones look WAY better than the old ones (comparing Marin's new sprite and overall animation with Yuri's can make anyone cry).

-The music is GOOD. Finally, no more Neo Geo midis. Voice acting is average at best, as usual.

-The Tag system works better this time. You can even use Quick Shift to make larger combos. Also, there are new features like the Saving Shift, that allows you to change your character while he/she is being hit (it takes 2 Skill meter bars).

-Now you have 2 different meters: Power meter (to make DMs, LDMs, emergency rolls and the CD guard attack) and Skill meter (to make Shift while comboing, to execute Super Cancels, Dream Cancels and Saving Shift).

-Dream Cancel is the possibility to cancel a DM into a LDM. A pretty sick thing, if you know which LDMs work perfectly with this. I.e. cancelling Ralf's Vulcan Punch DM into Galactica Phantom (and it actually connects!).

-Finally, interesting new characters (Oswald, Elisabeth, Momoko...), plus GOOD characters from other SNK games (B.Jenet, Duck King, Gai Tendo, Sho Hayate, etc.).

-The game is, in simple terms, a KOF2k3 with all the flawls and errors fixed and a much better control. Also, for the first time in a KOF game, there's damage scaling and better OTG properties. Balance is decent, though certain K-G-O team sort of ruins everything :/

So... does anyone else here play it?

Novasonic of /flex · 06-25-2006, 11:40 PM

I never really got into KoF at all in the past, but I saw some people playing XI at an arcade the last time I was in St. Louis and it looked pretty interesting. I'll probably check it out when I get my flip-top in a few weeks.

V3X · 06-26-2006, 01:07 AM

Ill probly buy it for ps2 if i can spare any money after i save up ofr my DJ-Dao..
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?cat...oducts_id=9049

Philipio · 06-26-2006, 02:40 AM

I can't justify paying $65 for a fighting game, especially when I could go to the arcade and play it for $.50. It's really fun though.

ZAEN · 06-26-2006, 10:13 AM

I'm getting this for Console very very soon. I was a huge fan of 2k3 despite the obvious flaws.

I haven't investigated KoF though for a few years, not since the main site that covered it went down. Are Duolon and Ash still horribly broken? I remember there was a mix up between Leonna and Duolon that was basically the end of the match.

DJ LongCat · 06-26-2006, 10:40 AM

I've played it before for arcade. The game has great presintation but the sprites need updateing. Other than that, I wouldn't mind importing it or somthing.

My team is Iori, Terry, and K'.

xybur · 06-26-2006, 10:49 AM

Yeah, the game is freakin awesome, and I'm glad that it was made. There are still some balancing issues even with the new game, and if you play in Arrange on the PS2 version it tries to fix the balancing issues, but it ends up nerfing other characters abilities.

All in all, I really like it. And my favorite KOF was when K' was first released on Evolution. I played a lot of 95 and 96 before that.

DjMeas · 06-26-2006, 10:53 AM

Yea, this game definitely looks great, must check it out ^___^

Personally, i was a really huge fan of 98 ^_*

*Eggman* · 06-26-2006, 12:04 PM

Dream Cancels factor in very heavily now and it makes the game very interesting.

Vanessa's initial DC gives her Vanessa Max Mode from 99 so she can cancel in and out of specials regardless. If you DC again after THAT though, you get her Max Finisher, which is really cool.

Oswald has some INSANE combos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4HQn...ch=Ace%20Combo

Here's a good collection of his Ace Combo. His DC is absolutely fantastic (52 hits from his LDM alone!) so any good combo-tag in to Oswald-combo a little into Four Suits -> DC Joker and that's pure awesome. Something like...
this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TFWz...F%20XI%20Combo

Another fun thing to note is that, if a counter LDM is used in a Dream Cancel, it becomes a throw LDM and automatically hits. A good example of this is B. Jenet's. Also, like was mentioned, DCing into Ralf's Galactica Phantom gets rid of all startup and you just NAIL them.

Duo Lon's down to mid-higher tier if I remember right. His DM with the ghosts all around him actually has more hits now though and DC'ing out of that gives pretty good damage, though most people can see what he's doing from a mile away. He's still good but nothing compared to Gato and Kula. Only bad thing on Gato is that his DC's suck. I've never been much for using Kula though so I'm not sure just how good she is. If you don't like them being way better than others though, just play in Arrange Mode. Seriously nerfs those two. Gato can't do crouching Cx2 into his main combos.

Ash has a new move but he's really not overpowered. You never see him in tournaments anymore really.

A fun random combo video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEe0...F%20XI%20Combo

I don't even own the game and I'm really quite into it. Once I have a bit more money, I'll look into importing it though.

*Kyosuke Kagami* · 06-26-2006, 03:13 PM

From what I've seen:

-Ash is still good. Not stupidly good like in 2k3, but he can still do decently in the game. His new move (the "seal" that disables special moves *lol chizuru*) isn't very used, as far as I'm concerned. B Rank.

-Duolon is still pretty good. His priority was overall nerfed and he can't do his infinite anymore, but he still has his dangerous weapons and options. Gotta love his new aerial move. B Rank.

-Marin... got totally raped. Her aerial game is still good, but she's overall slower and she doesn't have that insane pressuring game she got in 2k3, and some of her moves are more unsafe (her aerial AC has a lot of lag). She's good, but you need to play differently with her. C Rank.

-Adel... oh shit, I love this guy. He has a lot of very simple stuff that can be incredibly damaging, his Kaiser Wave has little startup and it makes a lot of damage, Genocide Cutter is still one of the best anti-air moves in the game and God-Press LDM can't be stopped by NOTHING, except projectiles, and if you block it Adel jumps backwards. His only problem is, his aerial game sort of sucks. C Rank (?)

-Gato. Shit, why did SNKP increase his priority, when he was already too good in KOF 2k3? :| S Rank.

I'll try to post more impressions later.

Novasonic of /flex · 07-01-2006, 02:52 AM

Hate to bump, but I just got my hands on this game for the first time tonight, and holy shit it is SO good. I never really got into KoF that much before, but this game is so sick. Oswald, B. Jenet, and Kula is my team, my flip-top needs to come like right now so I can play it at home and learn the game in and out.

Even though there probably won't be much of a competitive scene, I'm really interested in getting good at this game.

BBH · 07-01-2006, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Novasonic of /flex

Hate to bump, but I just got my hands on this game for the first time tonight, and holy shit it is SO good. I never really got into KoF that much before, but this game is so sick. Oswald, B. Jenet, and Kula is my team, my flip-top needs to come like right now so I can play it at home and learn the game in and out.

both Oswald and Kula are god-tier. :\

XI is excellent, I've been playing it regularly at the arcade for the last couple months, got the PS2 version mainly for combo practice and to mess around with the new characters and stuff.

My teams in the arcade vary but I play a lot of Terry, King, Shen, Tizoc, and Kensou. Shen is REALLY REALLY FUN. Just full-out offense, I love it. And his powerup LDM is awesome since he's entirely invincible while it charges up, and the powerup flash can actually hit if your opponent is foolish enough to try to attack you... I did like 80% damage off a counterhit once, pretty fucking insane considering you get the powerup too

King is really underrated too IMO, I've found that she's more powerful than most people think. Cancel any of her bufferable normal moves into slide kick and then buffer into another special move, if you're close enough you can connect Trap Shot and it does pretty nice damage.

PIG. · 07-01-2006, 03:38 AM

I used to play alot of '99 in my youth and we have a '98 here. (although we had a 2k1 a long time ago... wtf)

If I get some extra cash on my hands I'll think about it.

*Kyosuke Kagami* · 07-01-2006, 09:54 AM

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both Oswald and Kula are god-tier. :\

Kula is as powerful as she used to be in KOF2k, but she's still pretty beatable.

... but Oswald... crap, that guy is insane as hell. 5A counter hit (when opponent is jumping) -> LDM = most retarded combo ever, and damage is insane. He can still be an annoyance without being leader.

I LOL'ed when my friend told me Oswald isn't greatly affected when you activate Arrange mode in PS2 KOF XI. Gato gets raped with this, though.

Nova: If Jenet is your leader, you can Dream-Cancel her 236236K DM into her counter LDM. Nice damage, btw.

*Eggman* · 07-01-2006, 11:14 AM

I wouldn't call Oswald god-tier really. While he can do a ton of damage with a lot of his moves, it's also very obvious to tell what he's going to do, especially at tournament level. He has no real mind game so the players will just go straight for whatever combo is the best, which can be really easy to figure out and counter.

Eiji seemed to do really good damage. I liked his character all those years ago and I'm really glad they brought him back.