lack of interest in next gen- jaded gamers thread

[deepbluevibes]

Originally Posted by Danser

Okay, how many times did you have to do each set of stunts?
did you beat everything else?

EDIT:

Beat Stuntman in one sitting.

Games aren't easier, it's just you can save now.
Games such as strider, would be a lot easier to beat if you could save in between or during levels.

And besides if games are getting too easy for you, play it in unorthodox ways, skip saves (In fact beat newer games single segment).

I beat everything in the game in a week.

also, I went through shinobi 3 with these settings;

-not touching any enemies besides bosses
-only used one shuriken
-not killing any enemies besides bosses
-not getting hit myself
-not using ninjitsu

games are getting easier. seriously, i play old sega and snes games, and i'm *using savestates* on games like alien soldier and streets of rage 3, and i STILL can't beat the game.

I can blow through games like devil may cry, etc. without having to save once or even try hard at all.

[Danser]

Okay, fine... games are getting easier for you (Or at least the ones you actually do play).
For me some games are easy some are hard, no time frame for me.
End of story

what matters is that, we have fun playing them.

[Daniel]

It's my prediction that mainstream games will continue to become easier in the very near future. If video games work more like a ride or an experience and levels are more like places the "games are a chore again" mentality can be tamed by giving players a break from volunteer work such as jumping puzzles and scavenger hunting. By giving players freedom games can be fun in a new way. Unfortunately this plan to make all games similar to Spiderman 2 and Call of Duty won't last forever. The novelty will wear off eventually and players will realize that they are still performing volunteer work.

I predict niche games will survive the upcoming gaming crash. But niche games are so small even collectively that fans of all niche games will be greatly affected by the fallout of the crash. What if the money Microsoft lost on their mismanaged X-Box keeps for the X-Box 360 and Microsoft cancels their system? What if the PS3 doesn't pick up the slack either? What if the Nintendo's experiment the Wii doesn't bring more gamers to the living room in both the USA and Japan? If anything stated does happen, it's going to change the corporate attitute towards video games a lot.

[dog$]

There has never been a total videogame crash and there never will be.

Atari crashed in 1983. Video gaming didn't.

[HioMrSan]

Games are a lot easier now. Mainstream gamers couldn't cope with the mind numbing difficulty of some of the classics. Remember the outcry over how "hard" Ninja Gaiden was? God fucking forbid there's a game where you lose multiple times before you win? It was the perfect difficulty, and it forced you to improve.

I agree with DBV on that consoles have sucked after the dreamcast. Besides the bemani, its a rarity if I actually buy a new title for any console right now. Most are rentals at best, and the rest are crap.

[Hortence:The Muleface Mod]

Here's some food for thought: Is nostalgia killing gamers?

Think about it. So many people clamor over how much the previous generations were better, had better games, were more worth playing, but think about it a little differently. How many games do you forget from back then? How many games sucked worse than what we get today? How many good games are coming out today that you just completely disregard when judging the generation because they're a minority?

Not everything can be a classic, and there will always be more mediocre games than great ones. Just try and filter the current generation as well as you do the older ones, and it's pretty clear that not much has changed.

[deepbluevibes]

the last videogame i bought was final fantasy x

i think that just ended buying video games for me

and about nostalgia, actually that hurts my impression of older games compared to newer ones.

i give newer ones a *lot* of leeway, and they still suck.

i play older games and expect them to be just as ass kicking, revolutionary, and awesome as they always were when i was a kid, and when they're not... it's like bleh.

yet they still beat newer games.

phantasy star IV, star ocean 2, earthbound, tales of phantasia, disgaea, and final fantasy tactics (LOOK ONLY ONE SQUARESOFT TITLE LOL) rock the shit out of every single rpg to come after;

ESPECIALLY the first three i mentioned.

[I AM THE PROPHECY.]

Originally Posted by Daniel

It's my prediction that mainstream games will continue to become easier in the very near future.

No shit. Once talkies took off theatre occupied a lower total market share, but still stayed afloat.

If video games work more like a ride or an experience and levels are more like places the "games are a chore again" mentality can be tamed by giving players a break from volunteer work such as jumping puzzles and scavenger hunting. By giving players freedom games can be fun in a new way. Unfortunately this plan to make all games similar to Spiderman 2 and Call of Duty won't last forever. The novelty will wear off eventually and players will realize that they are still performing volunteer work.

I've been playing platform item collection games since I was four years old. So have a few other users here. So have a lot of other game buyers.

I predict niche games will survive the upcoming gaming crash.

There is no upcoming crash.

But niche games are so small even collectively that fans of all niche games will be greatly affected by the fallout of the crash.

Once again, no crash no problem.

What if the money Microsoft lost on their mismanaged X-Box keeps for the X-Box 360 and Microsoft cancels their system?

Hahahaha you think the XBox was mismanaged. It did exactly what it was expected to do.

What if the PS3 doesn't pick up the slack either?

You underestimate the power of the PlayStation brand name.

What if the Nintendo's experiment the Wii doesn't bring more gamers to the living room in both the USA and Japan?

Enough of the internet is gay for the Wii that I think that they could by themselves keep Nintendo afloat for another century.

If anything stated does happen, it's going to change the corporate attitute towards video games a lot.

There could be a pinpoint series of meteor strikes that plough into the islands of Japan and into Redmond killing games forever but I don't see that as being any more likely.

In conclusion, apextreme rofl

[HioMrSan]

Originally Posted by Dewgy

Think about it. So many people clamor over how much the previous generations were better, had better games, were more worth playing, but think about it a little differently. How many games do you forget from back then? How many games sucked worse than what we get today? How many good games are coming out today that you just completely disregard when judging the generation because they're a minority?.

I'm not saying there is not any good games, but rather a lack of them on consoles. PC gaming seems to be the only platform I actually buy games for anymore. I'm happy with my investment into this pc, as its actually given me more entertainment than any of the current consoles in a long time. Playing bf2142 as we speak. Last new ps2 title was... uh I don't even remember it was so long ago (Bemani doesn't count)

[I AM THE PROPHECY.]

This is interesting, because most of the rest of the internet and the gaming industry tend to be of the opinion that PC gaming is on its way out. BMS is the first time I've seen more than a couple people saying they really prefer the PC at this point.

[deepbluevibes]

i would say the "mainstream" pc industry is on the way out.

this is because the "underground" pc industry is on the way in, heavily.

gunbound, survival project, dj max, o2jam, gunz, rakion, lineage, etc.

games that are free or barely require any money at all, done by amateurs, played by people "in the know" (with the exception of widespread ones like gunbound and such)

are much more popular among most people i know than games you actually have to pay like 50 bucks to buy, and then another 10+ a month to keep on playing it (lol WoW)

[HioMrSan]

Originally Posted by MadRoll

This is interesting, because most of the rest of the internet and the gaming industry tend to be of the opinion that PC gaming is on its way out. BMS is the first time I've seen more than a couple people saying they really prefer the PC at this point.

I think we'll see less and less of mainstream titles, and more specific genres of games. It does take some knowledge of a computer, to have a good gaming PC. Majority of people who praise their 360, probably can't even build a good computer, not to mention all of those who whine over $400-600 dollars for a console. PC = $1000+ for something that can run most games maxed out. Hell directx10 cards should be coming out in a few months, and some of those screenshots put any next gen console to shame.

PC games are still going strong. I bought Company of Heroes, and Battlefield 2142 in just this week. Thats more than I've bought for my ps2 in months.

are much more popular among most people i know than games you actually have to pay like 50 bucks to buy, and then another 10+ a month to keep on playing it (lol WoW)

"People you know" is the keyword. WOW is much larger than any of those free korean mmos.

[deepbluevibes]

true, but people i know extends into around 1,000 people

[I AM THE PROPHECY.]

Originally Posted by deepbluevibes

i would say the "mainstream" pc industry is on the way out.

this is because the "underground" pc industry is on the way in, heavily.

I hadn't really thought about it that much but this makes a lot of sense. Hell, Steam by itself already has a few arthouse-type games up with more on the way, and the Microsoft XNA package seems to indicate that they've picked up on the same idea.

Just taking stock, the bulk of the PC titles I've purchased in the past year have in fact been Steam or indie titles. Hm.

[HioMrSan]

I don't think they are on the way out, but rather its becoming more of a closed off area. Consoles are simple, easy, and they last for 6 years hopefully. Doesn't take any skill to hit the eject button and put in a dvd. I'll spend 800 - 1000 bucks on a new pc every couple years, while people try to play Oblivion on their 399.95 Dell from 4 years ago, and wonder why it doesn't work.

These little free games, and indie titles are all good and fine, but most can't stand up to a huge big budget title. Geometry Wars is a great game, but would you trade that for I dunno Call of Duty 3 (whatever huge game genre your into) and pay 50 bucks for it? Its like watching independent movies at a film festival, every once and awhile you'll see a really good movie, but all the others are complete crap. (Gay cowboys eatin' puddin.)