lack of interest in next gen- jaded gamers thread

[deepbluevibes]

as for geometry wars;

that doesn't really count; see, i'm paying 6 bucks for geometry wars.

yet it's been the 2nd funnest game on the system to me, behind doa4.

i've tried almost every xbox360 game out on friend's consoles; they all bore the hell out of me.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by MadRoll

No shit. Once talkies took off theatre occupied a lower total market share, but still stayed afloat.I've been playing platform item collection games since I was four years old. So have a few other users here. So have a lot of other game buyers.

There is no upcoming crash.Once again, no crash no problem.Hahahaha you think the XBox was mismanaged. It did exactly what it was expected to do.You underestimate the power of the PlayStation brand name.Enough of the internet is gay for the Wii that I think that they could by themselves keep Nintendo afloat for another century.There could be a pinpoint series of meteor strikes that plough into the islands of Japan and into Redmond killing games forever but I don't see that as being any more likely.

In conclusion, apextreme rofl

You have a lot of confidence in the gaming industry. Your first response compares video games to movies, but you can't really compare movies to video games. Their different animals so their industries will evolve in different ways. Most people are playing games for the novelty of it so movies with sound isn't anything like an actual interactive experience becoming easier to hide the fact that it really is a chore.

You remind me that there are some people who will be playing games forever, but we all know they are not in the majority. X-Box was obviously mismanaged when Microsoft thought that everybody and their mothers would be playing games like Obi-Wan, Tao Feng, and Fuzion Frenzy.

Also there is no way the PS3 will be successful. It will not be a failure but the biggest explosion the video game industry has ever seen. It will be just as succesful as the SEGA Saturn and Nintendo 64 for the same reasons those consoles failed. In fact if it weren't for SEGA, Microsoft, and Nintendo mismanaging their consoles during the PS2 reign - the PS2 would have failed in favor of consoles that are easy to develop for.

Take my points or leave them. I am just very cynical towards the video game industry.

BTW: Do you have any computers running with Windows 98?

[Hortence:The Muleface Mod]

Originally Posted by Daniel

Also there is no way the PS3 will be successful.

The Playstation 3 is set in a prime position to completely dominate the Japanese gaming market, with its competition (the 360) failing miserably and its consumers being used to high prices for entertainment software, good exclusive titles, the (for the moment) continued support of Square-Enix, Konami, and other humongous companies, et cetera.

The American side of things doesn't look nearly as good but you can't simply dismiss the system as a complete failure until you actually give it a few months to sit on the market. This isn't the 3DO, which was essentially a beefed up Super NES with a disc drive, this is an actual next generation system we're talking about here. If it proves itself to be worth its own hefty price tag, it can very easily be successful.

[Elixir]

With all this next generation talk, god forbid someone actually still enjoy what they currently have.

[Hortence:The Muleface Mod]

Originally Posted by Elixir

With all this next generation talk, god forbid someone actually still enjoy what they currently have.

But that's not what this topic is about.

[I AM THE PROPHECY.]

Originally Posted by Daniel

You have a lot of confidence in the gaming industry. Your first response compares video games to movies, but you can't really compare movies to video games. Their different animals so their industries will evolve in different ways. Most people are playing games for the novelty of it so movies with sound isn't anything like an actual interactive experience becoming easier to hide the fact that it really is a chore.

Then you're suffering burnout, which is your own problem. Most people aren't.

You remind me that there are some people who will be playing games forever, but we all know they are not in the majority. X-Box was obviously mismanaged when Microsoft thought that everybody and their mothers would be playing games like Obi-Wan, Tao Feng, and Fuzion Frenzy.

Hahaha yeah the PS2 had an awesome launch lineup compared to that! Oh wait, no it didn't, and the thing was nothing more than an inexpensive DVD player for the better part of a year.

As for the "most people won't play games forever" bit, you keep trying to define gamers as something narrow. Those millions of people who buy Madden and Halo and Splinter Cell and Final Fantasy? They're gamers. They're gamers who are going to keep buying the titles they enjoy because they enjoy them. They're the ones keeping these companies in business, not the folks buying these "niche" titles you keep yammering about.

Also there is no way the PS3 will be successful. It will not be a failure but the biggest explosion the video game industry has ever seen. It will be just as succesful as the SEGA Saturn and Nintendo 64 for the same reasons those consoles failed. In fact if it weren't for SEGA, Microsoft, and Nintendo mismanaging their consoles during the PS2 reign - the PS2 would have failed in favor of consoles that are easy to develop for.

Are...are you shitting me? You don't know anything about anything, do you? The companies are going to go where the money is, and the money is where the consumers put it, which is going to be toward the brand they trust: PlayStation.

Take my points or leave them. I am just very cynical towards the video game industry.

You don't have any points for me to leave.

BTW: Do you have any computers running with Windows 98?

We have a forum for discussing computers and their operating systems under General Discussion. Please look there for your OS needs.

Originally Posted by Elixir

With all this next generation talk, god forbid someone actually still enjoy what they currently have.

Me snapping up the new technology doesn't stop me from leaving my old systems plugged in and firing them up from time to time. You're grasping at straws.

[HioMrSan]

I agree, the ps3 will dominate the market whether you like it or not. The playstation brand carries huge power in just the name. Really, its simple. The Japanese don't like the 360, the Wii is a gimmicky system that isn't ment to play conventional games, so really the ps3 is going to be what japanese publishers make games for. Its the only console where you're going to have traditional games, that are coming from japan.

I understand why are they are making it so powerful. Right now the ps2 is the shittiest system in terms of power. It can't hold its own against the gamecube or the xbox. Sony wants this console to last a long time and for it to age well.

[ultralowincome]

Originally Posted by HioMrSan

the Wii is a gimmicky system that isn't ment to play conventional games

they said the same thing about the Gamecube, DS, and N64.

That turned out pretty well for Nintendo didn't it?

I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but don't count em out just yet...

[Hortence:The Muleface Mod]

Originally Posted by ultralowincome

they said the same thing about the Gamecube, DS, and N64.

That turned out pretty well for Nintendo didn't it?

I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but don't count em out just yet...

The Cube didn't sell very well, and wasn't the best home for conventional games. And regardless, for those who did play and love it, it was rarely the sole system of choice.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by MadRoll

Hahaha yeah the PS2 had an awesome launch lineup compared to that! Oh wait, no it didn't, and the thing was nothing more than an inexpensive DVD player for the better part of a year.

The PS2 would have failed if SEGA, Microsoft, and Nintendo weren't struggling to find their identity. Sony totally tripped over themselves with a lousy launch and an over hyped emotion chip that just made video game development harder rather than better.

Originally Posted by MadRoll

As for the "most people won't play games forever" bit, you keep trying to define gamers as something narrow. Those millions of people who buy Madden and Halo and Splinter Cell and Final Fantasy? They're gamers. They're gamers who are going to keep buying the titles they enjoy because they enjoy them. They're the ones keeping these companies in business, not the folks buying these "niche" titles you keep yammering about.

Those will be the gamers who will be bored the fastest.

Originally Posted by MadRoll

Are...are you shitting me? You don't know anything about anything, do you? The companies are going to go where the money is, and the money is where the consumers put it, which is going to be toward the brand they trust:

The gaming market in Japan is shrinking, and polls are not looking very good in the PS3's favour. Sony is over investing in a $600 console with the immensly shitty Blu-Ray technology. A technology that has a kill switch built into it so that you are forced to buy a new player if somebody tries to hack it. The Blu-Ray format is supported mostly by Sony who is the same company that released millions of CD's with a rootkit that destroyed great sums of optical disc drives. The rootkit is was so well made that malware creators are using it as a learning tool. Also Sony has a history of trying to force us to buy proprietary formats and crappy products that nobody wanted. Actually just read this: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/sony.html

[HioMrSan]

Originally Posted by ultralowincome

they said the same thing about the Gamecube, DS, and N64.

That turned out pretty well for Nintendo didn't it?

I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but don't count em out just yet...

Actually it did and it didn't. Theres only a handful of games on each of those consoles that are truely good games. Almost every single one consists of Mario, Zelda, or some Rare title. The rest are generic crap. The handheld DS being the greatest success, and the stylus is rarely used effectively. Nintendo says it again and again "We are trying to not be a kiddie system" yet every new console turns out the same way. A handful of 1st party titles that are really good, no 3rd party support, and a bunch of shitty ports that are better on other systems. I don't expect the Wii to do a 180, given their track record.

The gaming market in Japan is shrinking, and polls are not looking very good in the PS3's favour. Sony is over investing in a $600 console with the immensly shitty Blu-Ray technology. A technology that has a kill switch built into it so that you are forced to buy a new player if somebody tries to hack it. The Blu-Ray format is supported mostly by Sony who is the same company that released millions of CD's with a rootkit that destroyed great sums of optical disc drives. The rootkit is was so well made that malware creators are using it as a learning tool. Also Sony has a history of trying to force us to buy proprietary formats and crappy products that nobody wanted. Actually just read this: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/sony.html

While its wellknown sony has a shitty rep. with using its own formats, but I hope the blu-ray succeeds over the HD-DVD. 25GB per disc and with the recent Blu-ray Dual Layer thats 50GB per disc. Hell I could back up my entire computer onto a couple of discs. Its such a better format than HD-DVD. Some of the PS3 games are already pushing the limits of that size constriction. Factor 5's new game, Lair, is known to have 2 levels that combined break 9GB in data. That's insane.

As for people not supporting it.. hmm lets see who announced they will support it.

We have Warner Bros., Paramount, Walt Disney, 20th Century Fox, Sony Pictures, MGM and Lions Gate Films.

Seems pretty solid to me considering thats 7 of the 8 major movie studios.

As for the price, its not going to matter. People will still buy it (not as well as sony hopes), and the only thing it will do is shut out kids leeching off mommy and daddy. The average gamer now is in their 20's and early 30's, and I hope most of the people in that age group can afford 600 dollars for something they want. Don't any of these people invest in gaming PCs?...

For all those who say otherwise, tell me what game console will have all your favorite conventional titles? Obviously the 360 is pretty much dead in japan, and the Wii is the gamecube 1.5 in terms of power. Seriously, all your big sony titles are going to the ps3, and people will buy it for them. I expect a huge percentage of the die hard FF fans will buy it solely for that game.

[I AM THE PROPHECY.]

Originally Posted by Daniel

The PS2 would have failed if SEGA, Microsoft, and Nintendo weren't struggling to find their identity. Sony totally tripped over themselves with a lousy launch and an over hyped emotion chip that just made video game development harder rather than better.

Okay, so...what? I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here anymore.

Those will be the gamers who will be bored the fastest.

Twenty years of precedent disagree.

The gaming market in Japan is shrinking, and polls are not looking very good in the PS3's favour.

Links to said polls please

Sony is over investing in a $600 console with the immensly shitty Blu-Ray technology. A technology that has a kill switch built into it so that you are forced to buy a new player if somebody tries to hack it.

So don't violate the EULA.

The Blu-Ray format is supported mostly by Sony who is the same company that released millions of CD's with a rootkit that destroyed great sums of optical disc drives. The rootkit is was so well made that malware creators are using it as a learning tool.

Which has nothing to do with the PS3. Stop trying to divert attention.

Also Sony has a history of trying to force us to buy proprietary formats and crappy products that nobody wanted.

The only ones that jump to mind are Betamax, UMD, ATRAC and minidisc. The first was only a failure in the home entertainment sector, and the second still sees use in millions of PSPs.

Actually just read this: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/sony.html

Uh, okay? I'm familiar with the history of Sony, probably moreso than yourself, and this just says the same shit that outraged blog fucks have been spouting since before E3 06. I'll repeat it since you haven't gotten it yet:

The average game consumer is not tired of buying games in their favorite franchises. The average game consumer does not care about what obscure gaming weblog #whatever has to say about their purchasing decisions. The average game consumer is making sure that the game industry stays afloat and will for years to come, and is doing it whether you're aware of/willing to accept it or not.

[beatdown]

Personally, I like XBOX360 better, because there's going to be halo 3, which is going to sell like billions. But PS3 beats X360 in sheer popularity.

Wii is gimmicky, if you call it that.

[モネ?]

Daniel, I would think you would know about the Japanese market better considering you play bemani. The PS3 is actually in high demand there, alongside with the wii. The x360 has just not be clicking with them. Yeah, sony only has 100k units there(which I think is pretty teriible), but when you consider that the Famitsu editors and other ayalyst in Japan, now predicting the PS3 will likely succed in Japan and it's pretty much selling out on amazon. You have to wonder if the PS3 is real dire trouble over there at all? It sure isn't feeling any competiion from MS, and sony has been gaining some ground back on nintendo over there post-tgs with the price drop and all. They get the 60 gig for $525

http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/739/739307p1.html
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/738/738888p1.html

Of course analyst can be wrong, but it's just as wrong to say the PS3 will competely dive when the pre-orders show there is an intrest in teh system, despite the cost.

[Elixir]

Originally Posted by MadRoll

Me snapping up the new technology doesn't stop me from leaving my old systems plugged in and firing them up from time to time. You're grasping at straws.

Actually I was talking to the thread as a whole; not you. If you weren't so busy Sony fanboying it up you could probably see that.

Once again you're jumping to conclusions and generally being pretty sloppy about internet text. Way to go.