with all due respect, fuck nexus

[Xayro]

*shrugs* I disagree. Why bother making a new preset to be "different" if the sounds you need are right in front of you? How many guitarists do you think tweak their guitar with a combination of 100s of boxes/pedals just so its "different" from every other one? It's the notes in a track that matter, not the synth you use, and I doubt anyone would come up with one that's so mindblastingly different that it takes the musical world by storm, especially via soft synths.

Soulja Boy may not be the best example here, considering he's hardly made anything decent, and it's a different genre, but he made it to the top using FL Demo default samples. People like it, he likes it, and it expresses him the way he wants to be.

NeXuS is my primary VST, and I plan to keep it that way until something better comes along. I haven't tweaked any sounds that are better than what NeXuS can crank out, and why make the sound suffer just because you have a desire to be "different".

tl;dr: It's the notes, not the specific synth, that's making the music here. Some people find what they need inside of it. Stop caring what other musicians do make music. We're here to express ourselves and share that with the world, not to criticize the hell out one another's methods

[patrickphan2]

nexus rocks! I play it at the arcade every chance i get! Some of us(maybe just me) can't make SUPER DUPER insane SAWS so I gotta use it once in a while. Can't wait to see what NX2 delivers.

[-Peacemaker-]

Originally Posted by Xayro

I disagree. Why bother making a new preset to be "different" if the sounds you need are right in front of you? How many guitarists do you think tweak their guitar with a combination of 100s of boxes/pedals just so its "different" from every other one? It's the notes in a track that matter, not the synth you use, and I doubt anyone would come up with one that's so mindblastingly different that it takes the musical world by storm, especially via soft synths.


tl;dr: It's the notes, not the specific synth, that's making the music here. Some people find what they need inside of it. Stop caring what other musicians do make music. We're here to express ourselves and share that with the world, not to criticize the hell out one another's methods

IMO, music is a great deal like painting. Yes, you can have the most incredible subject matter of all time, and yes, you can be really good at putting things where they are supposed to go, but if you don't meld and blend your paints, its going to come out flat and uninteresting. Yes, you can use presets to make a song with all the notes in the perfect places, but unless you put the same kind of thought into the sounds themselves as you give to the notes, you end up with the musical equivalent of a paint-by-numbers painting. It's not necessarily about being different, but about going that extra mile to flesh something out into the fullest thing it could be.

Or here's another art analogy for you- I'll use comic books, since they're an art form I know and love. Comics are created by teams of people, and not individuals, but put that aside for a second and try to think about it like this- the "notes" of a comic book would be the line art. It's the purely black and white pictures which provide the basis of the entire book; without it, there would be no comic. But on top of that line art goes what makes any superhero, or picture, or just about any artwork truly memorable: color.

A truly skilled colorist can make line art come to life, can play on and strengthen the minute details of the line art, and create a fully rounded, stylized piece of art. If that focus isn't there, though, the art often ends up flat and forgettable- even really cool line art can fall victim to bad color. It's the difference between seeing superman like this

and seeing him like this

I agree that the title of this thread is... contentious at best, and that a lot of people (myself somewhat included in my original response) have forgotten that Visinin gave the thread quite a ridiculous title in order to get people to notice it. I also appreciate the discussion that its causing.

Also, I'm just going to go ahead and say that if I didn't care what other artists did to make music, I probably wouldn't be on this forum in the first place... I doubt any of us really would, because any MP forum is about more than just having a place to slap up some stuff and brag about it, it's about growth and valuable discussions, like the one we have here.

[The Rai-Rai]

Originally Posted by Xayro

*shrugs* I disagree. Why bother making a new preset to be "different" if the sounds you need are right in front of you?

Congratulations on missing the point.

Originally Posted by Xayro

How many guitarists do you think tweak their guitar with a combination of 100s of boxes/pedals just so its "different" from every other one?

Highly inappropriate analogy given that acoustic instruments sound different with different players. Also, aside from your numbers being ridiculous exaggerations, you would be surprised.

Originally Posted by Xayro

It's the notes in a track that matter, not the synth you use,

You are dead wrong. Timbre is one of the fundamental elements of music.

Originally Posted by Xayro

and I doubt anyone would come up with one that's so mindblastingly different that it takes the musical world by storm, especially via soft synths.

Wrong.

Originally Posted by Xayro

Soulja Boy may not be the best example here,

Right.

Originally Posted by Xayro

considering he's hardly made anything decent, and it's a different genre, but he made it to the top using FL Demo default samples. People like it, he likes it, and it expresses him the way he wants to be.

Glad to see you're a true visionary artist.

Originally Posted by Xayro

I haven't tweaked any sounds that are better than what NeXuS can crank out,

You haven't practiced enough.

Originally Posted by Xayro

and why make the sound suffer just because you have a desire to be "different".

lol

Originally Posted by Xayro

tl;dr: It's the notes, not the specific synth, that's making the music here.

You are dead wrong. Timbre is one of the fundamental elements of music.

Originally Posted by Xayro

Stop caring what other musicians do make music.

No.

Originally Posted by Xayro

We're here to express ourselves and share that with the world,

Playing copycat isn't a very good way to express yourself unless you're a cookiecutter sort of person.

Originally Posted by Xayro

not to criticize the hell out one another's methods

Criticism is often necessary in art.

[Xayro]

Originally Posted by The Rai-Rai

stuff

*shrugs* Point taken. I'm just saying, seriously, it isn't that big of a deal if people use instruments like that for songs. I mean, if you make a sound that's awesome, more power to you, but NeXuS is there for a reason. It's not a tool to make musician's lazy, just to make the job easier. Really, my post wasn't meant to be attacking the original opinion, just stating mine. There is no right or wrong in music. It's an art. Not a science. I mean, yeah, if you make a sound better, then by all means, use it, I would. But if you find one that works well in NeXuS, then by all means, use it. I don't believe I much missed the point, considering that was the original point, the lack of ability to tweak much in NeXuS.

Anyhow, I just have a varying opinion. To each their own, man.

[The Chemist]

Lets behave children

[k⁄⁄eternal]

composers before our time didn't have nearly this level of flexibility

sure, you could choose what went into your orchestra, and some had custom instruments made or special tuning, but there was certainly nothing on this level of customization

nobody is going to say the classical greats suffered significantly for such a thing

the option is available today and it gives you an unprecedented level of control, but it doesn't mean that if you don't use it you're not a real musician

[Xayro]

Originally Posted by The Chemist

Lets behave children

Whose misbehaving? I figured we were having a harmless debate *shrugs*.

And that's what I mean, k//. Music is music, anyhow. It's what you choose to do with that defines it. It's an expression of yourself, not a set science. Music is art.

[helix eternal]

Music is both art and science. Sound is a physical science. Some would consider the ambient sounds of nature to be musical, but it's purely science.

[The Rai-Rai]

Originally Posted by helix eternal

Music is both art and science. Sound is a physical science. Some would consider the ambient sounds of nature to be musical, but it's purely science.

Everything is both an art and a science. Game Over.





























Yes, even your mother.

[-Peacemaker-]

Originally Posted by The Rai-Rai

Everything is both an art and a science. Game Over.





Yes, even your mother.

No, you're doing it wrong. riding your mom is both an art and a science.

I think we all know that music is not all about the notes. Nor is it all about the sounds. everybody has a style often influenced by their synth choice, how well they know what they're doing etc. but not everybody has to be like boards of canada or kiln, focusing more on the individual notes and sounds than the song as a whole. If using a ROMpler like Nexus is your bag, go for it. Personally, I spent about three years using Hypersonic for everything from beat creation to full orchestrations, and that was what I wanted to be doing. It got me the sounds I was looking for, and god damn if it didn't do it well and easily.

But when I wanted to grow as a producer, rather than a composer, I switched back to synths that allow me some more control over the sounds themselves. Do I still use ROMplers when I want to focus on composition? certainly; their simplicity and good sound quality are two of their greatest strengths.

I suppose what I am really trying to say is, whatever you do, do it well. Play on the strengths of the tools you are using, and refuse to be satisfied with mediocracy. Chances are, you won't go wrong.

[The Rai-Rai]

Since when does Boards of Canada focus more on the individual notes and sounds than the songs as a whole? 8)

[PURPLE DRANK]

I applaud you rai rai.

as for me I like to associate nexus with... lets say bar raping in ddr (pre extreme, the good ol days, when you were a douchebag and a half for using it) yeah its there to make shit easier for you, but ill be damned if it got you any recognition or respect in the process. (at least from where I came from). but aside from that you're missing the main point. just dropping in presets into your song because you can't be bothered to make something unique and your own is like buying a paint by numbers version of the mona lisa. sure it'll take you a long ass time and some effort to get allll those little numbers, but it took absolutley no skill and you didn't learn anything from it other than how to paint inside the lines. oh and whoever posted the superman thing, couldn't have explained better myself hi5

/commence backlash

[The Chemist]

You know what sucks?

FL Studios

All you do is dot in squares and paint in pretty lines on a piano roll. Real musicians should only use a tape recorder and analog equipment. This way, they get to learn how exactly you should play your instrument and record at the same time, instead of just clicking on buttons.

Everyone should be visionaries with their music, and not have a crutch with FL Studios or stupid VST or romplers. As a matter of fact, screw instruments. Go outside, have sex with a goat, and record it. Get your friends to join in. Remember, music has no boundaries.

The possibilities are limitless my friends! Explore!

[Xayro]

Originally Posted by The Chemist

You know what sucks?

FL Studios

All you do is dot in squares and paint in pretty lines on a piano roll. Real musicians should only use a tape recorder and analog equipment. This way, they get to learn how exactly you should play your instrument and record at the same time, instead of just clicking on buttons.

Everyone should be visionaries with their music, and not have a crutch with FL Studios or stupid VST or romplers. As a matter of fact, screw instruments. Go outside, have sex with a goat, and record it. Get your friends to join in. Remember, music has no boundaries.

The possibilities are limitless my friends! Explore!

This.
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