Artist Thread - Mnemosyne - Page 2

-Peacemaker- · 07-11-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DXSynergy

OK, my bad. It was a dumb thing to say.

No it was not.

Melodically, your stuff is quite solid. The problem in using presets (and thus nexus) is that you don't learn about what goes into creating the sounds that you are using. I know I've not been on this forum in quite a long time; i used to come here everyday waiting for new posts and then getting disappointed when a week would pass with no new ones. So I've spent an enormous amount of time researching production. I understand you may write me off for whatever reason. I'm not going to spend time posting sounds I've created, or link you to specific production techniques, because in my opinion that is counterproductive. I will, however, attempt to illustrate a point to you. If you honestly think that every sound in nexus is perfect because they've been selected to work well together, then good on you mate.
You say "The beauty of production is picking other patches that go well with each other, not moaning and complaining because "OHEMGEE THAT'S TOTALLY NEXUS!!!!"
but the beauty is not in picking the patches but in picking the sounds. Using premade patches can make speedy production easier. But it also quickly leads to two tings- a cookie cutter sound, and using sounds that are not perfect, but similar.
Why settle for less? If you were a talented painter, you wouldn't only settle for using paint straight out of the tube, right? You'd blend paints to achieve all the colors and shades you want. Why should making music be any different?
The benefits of learning about the creation of sound is that it will be evident in your music if you choose to pursue it. EVERYTHING will sound better. It may be frustrating at first, but when is anything really worth it truly easy? Do you want to sound like someone else? or would you rather sound like yourself? I assure you, you'll never be number one at sounding like another producer, because there will always be one person better.

My advice to you and anybody else reading this is to NOT use ROMPLER type vsts with little room for modification of sound pre-fx chain unless you are just getting in to making music. When in any production you hear a sound that you enjoy, go find out how it is made! There are many, many music production forums on the internet other than this one. Many of them are filled with pretentious know-it-all types who are utterly convinced they are the shit and that everybody else makes garbage. Many of these people have also gone to school for music or had engineering internships. As hard as it is to believe, some of these people actually know what they are doing! What's more, some of them share the knowledge. The internet is probably the most important resource a producer has these days, especially for those who really enjoy creating stuff. You shouldn't just use it for downloading cracks and be content. Learn!

Oh, and I guess I'll give you one link and a hint: if you are trying to make a real instrument sound real, you must have extremely hq samples.

MIS

have fun.

And good work on your tracks, honestly. Pretty damn solid.
I just saw this guy's correct post get deleted and a bunch of people describing why presets are the shit.

Not an intentional thread hijack, I just thought I would throw out some knowledge which could be genuinely beneficial to you.

The Rai-Rai · 07-11-2009, 06:30 PM

This man knows what he is talking about.

DJ SymBiotiX · 07-13-2009, 06:59 AM

Well first of all, I like it how I only get responses when somebody wants to criticise me :S.

Peacemaker: I appreciate your advice. Just wanting to say, I dont think presets "just work" in songs and whatnot. Its not like I dont EQ the shit out of every single thing I use because I know pretty much nothing fits out of the box. The stuff I used is tweeked to fit in to the song, and the sounds I used, I use because I thought they sounded good in the song itself.

Anyways, thanks I guess.

-Peacemaker- · 07-13-2009, 09:57 AM

I understand where you're coming from, and I know most people understand that presets don't "just work". I'm just also trying to remark that you have a level of control deeper than you otherwise would.

Counterspell- music and technology: Presets, The Signal Chain, Clark Kent, and Batman.

this should illustrate what I mean to say clearly.

The Rai-Rai · 07-13-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ SymBiotiX

Well first of all, I like it how I only get responses when somebody wants to criticise me :S.

o no u di'int

You're lucky you get responses at all, dude. Most of us virtually never do.

The Rai-Rai · 07-13-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by -Peacemaker-

Counterspell- music and technology: Presets, The Signal Chain, Clark Kent, and Batman.

this should illustrate what I mean to say clearly.

This is awesome.

DJ SymBiotiX · 07-13-2009, 11:25 AM

I beg to differ sir. On a few forums actually.

DJ SymBiotiX · 07-13-2009, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Peacemaker-

I understand where you're coming from, and I know most people understand that presets don't "just work". I'm just also trying to remark that you have a level of control deeper than you otherwise would.

Counterspell- music and technology: Presets, The Signal Chain, Clark Kent, and Batman.

this should illustrate what I mean to say clearly.

Again, I appreciate the advice. To be honest, yeah I know that making your own sounds opens worlds of possibilities, but to be frank. Music is a hobby (even though I'd like it to be more than that), and I have 500 other things that I need to do every day, so at the current moment I dont really have the time to go indepth as much as id like to. Anyways, I'll pretty much leave this topic at that, and I'll end up reading those links you posted.

DJ SymBiotiX · 09-20-2009, 04:50 PM

Alright, well anyways. Mnemosyne has finished a new J-Core Track. Featuring amazing vocals by Lia, this track is a remix of her song "Earth" from her remix album "Spectrum Rays". We grabbed the vocals and created a completely original song for them. Great melodies and catchy tunes. We really hope you enjoy this one.

Mnemosyne feat. Lia - 土 (Tsuchi) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QECEK7WEAw&fmt=18

Ætheros · 09-22-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ SymBiotiX

Music is a hobby (even though I'd like it to be more than that), and I have 500 other things that I need to do every day, so at the current moment I dont really have the time to go indepth as much as id like to..

Well if you want music to be more than a hobby, then I would suggest moving your schedule around to allow more time for music production and practice. If anything, double the time it takes to release a finished product, and spend what little time you have practicing new techniques.
I'm not sure what hardware/software you use, but I have been using Reason for about 2 years now, and after making a few songs with some preset synths and some generic drum samples I decided I wanted more out of my music. Now I have a job and school and church and plenty of other activities to fill my days, and often times I go days without touching my music, but everytime I opened up reason, I would find a device (or even a section of a device) that I was unfamiliar with and avoided because I didn't know how to use it, and I would reference the manual and all the online sources I could find until I knew it inside and out.
Now I wasn't able to pump out a new track every week, but the music I did complete got progressively better by leaps and bounds each release.

If music right now is a hobby, and you don't want it to be, Then what you need to do to take yourself to that next level is start learning some serious production skills. Learn to patch a synth from scratch. Learn to master EQing and Compression, and start experimenting with the things you do know. Hell, I would suggest you try to write a complete song without using a single preset at all. It'll sound like shit most likely but the knowledge you will gain will be invaluable and I cannot stress that enough.

Detach · 09-22-2009, 01:10 PM

Hey Sym, doubt you remember me. Just dropping by, see you got some killer shit still thriving from you. I really haven't been able to go in-depth to your work, but I will soon. I have been real interested in other people's styles, so you give me something to study.

Ætheros · 09-22-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ SymBiotiX

Well first of all, I like it how I only get responses when somebody wants to criticise me :S.

Be thankful for it. If all you ever get it 'OMG that r0x0rs' comments then you will never get anywhere as an artist. When you get criticized, it gives a goal for future music. Even pro musicians have mentors and strive to get better all of the time.

I personally believe that if you ever become complacent about your work, and don't continue trying to improve, you have failed yourself as an artist.

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Originally Posted by DJ SymBiotiX

Mnemosyne feat. Lia - 土 (Tsuchi) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QECEK7WEAw&fmt=18

I'll ignore the nexus preset comments at this point.
Okay, so for starters, the cut up vocal sample at the beginning is really cool, but it kinda goes on for too long. It starts to bug me a bit. But that's fine, that's a personal taste thing more than anything else. Your arrangement kicks ass for sure, but some of the synths feel like they need more depth. The synth that starts to fade in around 1:19 sounds good, but once the song kicks into gear, it really distracts me from the rest of the song. This is because it sounds so damn flat. It needs some EQing or something, and definitely some dynamics. When you have it play the same loop over and over without a variance in it's sounds it comes off cheap sounding. Automate some eqing or a low pass filter on it or something. Hell use panning effects or reverb. Play random notes on the keyboard or something, just mix it up other than it's fade-in fade-out routine

Everything else was smooth and well done. Vocals fit perfectly. I would've liked more dynamics on the piano too, but it's that main synth that bothered me the most.

DJ SymBiotiX · 11-15-2009, 06:54 PM

Thanks for the comments guys. I meant to reply to them a long time ago, but somehow forgot :P.

Anyways new UK Hardcore track. Definitely our best yet Enjoy.

Featuring the vocals of Kate Lessing

http://www.djsbx.com/MUSIC/ItsADreamRemix.mp3

YouTube - East Clubbers - It's A Dream (Mnemosyne UK Remix)

DJ SymBiotiX · 12-29-2009, 11:42 AM

Mnemosyne is back again with a brand new UK Hardcore Track.
We went ahead and remixed the song Heavenly Star by Genki Rockets. The original can also be heard in the game No More Heroes.

Anyways, here is our remix, Enjoy

And let us know what you think

Youtube: YouTube - Genki Rockets(???????) - Heavenly Star (Mnemosyne's Touchdown Remix)
320kb MP3: http://www.djsbx.com/NewMusic/HeavenlyStarRemix.mp3