Now seriously considering the Mac Pro...

[WiLLiSTER]

I hate using dvd's. That's why I got the external hard drive a couple months ago. My management is fine. I have what I want on here and then some stuff I have to have. I clean out my computer every 2-3 weeks, depending on how much I download or add things. Discs are too much trouble to go through when you're looking for things and then if they get scratched or something, you're screwed. I'd rather stick with keeping them on a hard drive, unless it's something unimportant, which will just get deleted.

Also, the ram, I know. I just really don't want to pay the amount of money they want for a couple gigs more. I'll just add more myself.

EDIT: lol Nomi, you should buy them on black friday. Hooray for packs of 25 for $2

[LAMBORGHINI FCUKER]

That thing already has a Superdrive, which burns DVDs.

Re-think your model.

A hard drive's good and all but you still want to back things up in many ways as possible.

[WiLLiSTER]

I only backup when i don't think i'll use it anymore, lol. I have never, in my 7 years of using a computer, used or needed a backup.

I know it has a superdrive... what do you mean by rethink the model?

[Eth3rStrik3r]

Can someone please clue me into why you would ever need that much power in a single computer?

I can see needing that much for a server machine, but still, as a personal computer, isnt that waaaaaay too much?

[dieKatze88]

Originally Posted by UKN

Seriously, if you are using Maya or even 3DS MAX or Lightwave, you will be using alot of fucking space and stuff. Honestly, you do need more RAM though. The computer is fine as it is now, but you need more RAM because it'll obviously make rendering so much easier. I would say three or four gigs would be great, two if you aren't so hardcore into it.

Also, I'm sure if you managed better you could be under 250 gigs. just because you have alot of space doesn't mean you can let unneeded things pile up in your computer. I doubt you have 500 gigs worth of stuff that you absolutely need.



Hi, your name means the cat 88.

Yeah you are proving very quickly how little you know about computers.

[WiLLiSTER]

Originally Posted by Eth3rStrik3r

Can someone please clue me into why you would ever need that much power in a single computer?

I can see needing that much for a server machine, but still, as a personal computer, isnt that waaaaaay too much?

Because I'm going to use it for a lot of things and I want it to last for a long time. Most computers you buy now-a-days are outdated very quickly and need to be upgraded all the time. This thing should last for quite a while.

[UKN]

Originally Posted by dieKatze88

Yeah you are proving very quickly how little you know about computers.

Excuse me, what was wrong with what I said? I'm pretty into 3D graphics and shit like that, don't argue with me about a field I'm pretty sure I know alot more than you about. Unless Stepmania themeing requires Maya, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what I'm saying.

[-mex-]

HOLY SHIT guys, what the fuck is wrong with all of you.

[DeusExMachina]

PErsonally I think this computer is a total overkill for all practical purposes. Unless you want this computer to be a server, the price of the specs you specified does not go anywhere near justifying the benefits.

"Two 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon"

Most games do not take advantage of a dual processor system. Therefore while playing a game or using any application that doesnt support a dual processor system would most likely just cause the second CPU to idle and you would have wasted clock cycles. The only reason the DUAL CORE can function well without wasted clock cycles as a CPU on single processor systems is because there are two physical processor cores on die a silicon chip. The processing load is therefore reduced and calculation speed is increased without needing a more complicated controller chip. Some video editing programs support dual processing but if your career isn't video editing I dont think the measly time you save in that case is worth the cost of 2 dual core xeon. If you plan on running a server then this should suit you fine.

1 gigabyte of memory

You will definitely need more memory than 1 gigabyte. Most games require 2 more than 1 gigabyte. If you plan on running a server you will need way more than 1 gigabyte.

1 TB of disk space

I guess you could go with this. If I really wanted to i could fill 1 TB of disk space with porn in about 6 months but then I could always burn to DVD. You are using SATA which is good for games and video editing but if you are running a server, you might want to go Ultra 320 SCSI

2x Nvidia geforce 7300 GT

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SLI TWO CRAPPY VIDEO CARDS LIKE THIS??? Unless you are not interested in gaming. Video editing and servers dont need great video cards. Then again if you are doing the latter you dont even need two video cards.

If you want a computer for general purpose around the house you could build a computer 1/3rd the price and last just as long.

BASICALLY

IF this is for a

Gaming computer.. CPU overkill probably not even most efficient, need more ram, need better video card

Video editing 3d graphics design.. Unless its your job, CPU not worth it, downgrade video card

Server.. More memory, upgrad HD to ultra 320 SCSI, downgrade video card

ONE MORE IMPORTANT THING

Nomi its not wiser to get 1 stick of memory. DDR2 I believe is a Dual Channel memory which is required to have pairs of memory sticks. You cannot have a single dimm for dual channel memory or you will get system crashes when the computer tries to access a memory slot that doesnt exist.

[sнυи]

Shuttle XPC SN21G5 (barebone)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester @ 2.21GHz (stock clock; Arctic Silver 5)
EVGA e-GeForce 7900 GT KO Superclocked @ 500/1500 (stock clock)
VANTEC SP-FC70-BL Spectrum Blue Fan Card (next to the 7900 GT)

That all together was $711.46 off of NewEgg (as of August 20th, when I ordered). I already had 1GB of RAM (DDR333, overclocked to DDR400 in BIOS), a DVD-RW drive, a (pointless) floppy drive, and a 160GB hard drive. This computer total is valued around 900 bucks, and other than the DirectX10 drivers, already meet the recommended (not minimum, RECOMMENDED) specs for running Crysis at full speed. You are absolutely wasting good money.

DeusExMachina: Dual-core is fine for gaming. It's fast, and allows you to do other stuff WHILE playing. Games will start taking advantage of dual-core soon enough (I believe it was Serious Sam 2 that already does? I forgot which game, but it was tested with one processor, the FX-55, and a couple video cards, and they all had pretty close results FPS-wise).

1GB of RAM is perfectly fine for me because I play crappy old school games like Counter-Strike 1.6 (I know you do, too, Anti_gilbert, Mr. Nonsteampowered.tk user), but I will be getting 2x1GB of DDR400 RAM from OCZ or Corsair with a tighter timing soon enough (my case only has two RAM slots ).

1TB of space is obviously the most important thing to Anti_gilbert, so let him be. I don't see how he's filled up 2x250GB HDD's, but he did and you all need to remember that when commenting on the size of the hard drive (P.S. what is it that's taking up so much space?! ).

Ehh... ch-yeah... SLI for some 7300 GT's is kind of stupid... especially since I know you game. If you're willing to spend so much already, I suggest you get a 7950GX2, maybe even two of them for quad-GPU for the future...)

I don't know anything about the Intel Xeons, but if they're as good or close to the new Conroe processors from Intel, your computer should fly with some rethinking of the specs you have chosen...

[WiLLiSTER]

Ahahaha, how'd you know I used that. xD I actually haven't used it in a while since I got HL2 last christmas.

I'm going to make something VERY CLEAR right now. I KNOW I NEED MORE THAN 1GB OF RAM. I DO NOT WANT TO PAY ANOTHER $300 FOR 1GB MORE.

Now, I need to say something else. I want this because it's a mac. I have a lot of stuff (well, pretty much everything now) that I need a mac for. My whole life has become more effecient since I got my mac, despite the slow-as-fuck 450mhz processor. I want this to replace everything I'm going to need for the next several years.

"WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SLI TWO CRAPPY VIDEO CARDS LIKE THIS???"
They don't give you much of a choice as you can see from the image below.
Thanks for the video card advice. Which would you say I should go with from these.

And can someone tell me why it says Stereo 3D for the Quadro?

EDIT: Oh, the hard drives? DVD rips that I use for videos my friends and I make, music, other videos, pictures. Pretty much multimedia stuff. Plus torrents. Being a member of private sites, I have to seed to maintain a ratio. I usually seed for about 3 months. That's pretty much what's raping so much of my space. I'm going to be cutting down though after I finish up these last 30 movies that I'm seeding. I want all of them at a ratio of 1.5 or higher. About half of them are, but those that are still have people downloading, so I keep on seeding, lol.

Funny, I was actually looking at that barebones pc. But I want the mac with parallels so I can do everything.

[-mex-]

1 TB of disk space

I guess you could go with this. If I really wanted to i could fill 1 TB of disk space with porn in about 6 months but then I could always burn to DVD. You are using SATA which is good for games and video editing but if you are running a server, you might want to go Ultra 320 SCSI

Hah, I could do it in a week.




Also, if you were building a computer I'd suggest X2 for dual core, but you're not so it's unimportant.

[DeusExMachina]

Originally Posted by The Bloke

Shuttle XPC SN21G5 (barebone)


DeusExMachina: Dual-core is fine for gaming. It's fast, and allows you to do other stuff WHILE playing. Games will start taking advantage of dual-core soon enough (I believe it was Serious Sam 2 that already does? I forgot which game, but it was tested with one processor, the FX-55, and a couple video cards, and they all had pretty close results FPS-wise).

Dual CORE is freaking awesome a breakthrough in processor technology.

Dual PROCESSOR isnt.

Core and Processor not the same

Core is the on die Integrated circuit laser inscribed onto the silicon.
Processor is the entire chip.

So technically anti gilbert plans to have a DUAL processor / QUAD core computer.

Hmm. Thats a limited selection of video cards.

WAIT A MINUTE!!! Sorry I forgot ur building a mac here. SLi Technology isnt used in macs. ACtually I dont even think those are VIDEO CARDS you are selecting. I think those are video chipsets integrated into the board. I guess the reason they put 3d stereo in here is because they can integrate a sound chip into the board for you should you choose that option.

You know you can build a PC and run mac OS off of it?

[sнυи]

Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

Dual CORE is freaking awesome a breakthrough in processor technology.

Dual PROCESSOR isnt.

Core and Processor not the same

EEP! Misread it!

Anti_gilbert: The X1900 XT 512MB is on par (literally almost the same) with the 7900 GTX OVERCLOCKED (EVGA's 7900 GTX CO edition). The X1900 XT even beats out the 7900 GTX on some games. It's a really nice card and you should get it. Plus ATi has sick image quality for the cost of 2-5 frames.

(EDIT) Proof

I know this crap because I was considering the X1800 XT because it's on par with the 7900GT. The X1800 XT is like, 100 bucks cheaper too, so I would've gotten it if the case weren't so small (PCI-Express slot hugging the edge of the case).

[WiLLiSTER]

Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

You know you can build a PC and run mac OS off of it?

Yea, but it's slow as hell... I tried it and almost immediatly took it off. After trying out Parallels today I'm convinced that it's the way to go.

Thanks Bloke!

OFFTOPIC: Did you hear about the new X1950 XTX? Uses GDDR4. The tests they ran had a slight advantage over the 7950GX2 :O
Link: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==