OpenOffice

[stuartwood89]

Originally Posted by helix eternal

.docXXX

(everything is cooler with an X on it)

stuartwood89X

am I cool now?

[Excel-2010]

Excel-2008

I was cool before cool was cool.

[stuartwood89]

Originally Posted by Excel-2008

Excel-2008

I was cool before cool was cool.

You're so cool...

[dieKatze88]

Originally Posted by Baroque Obama

while calling me dumb right? i obviously cant understand it since i have half a brain cell right

No, I'm calling you dumb because you need a wake up call.

Office 2007 is a terrible excuse for an office suite. I haven't even bothered to try Outlook 2007 (seeing as Word 2007 and Excel 2007 piss me off just trying to print from them in my school's Computer labs). Ive used every single version of Office since Windows 3.1, and Office 2003 is by far the best version. Office 2007 breaks compatibility with earlier versions, has less features, takes longer to do things in, and is designed to tailor to a group of people who think that they sit in front of a computer. The reason Office 2007's menu system is broken is because it was designed on an Operating system who's menu system is broken. Ribbon is a terrible excuse for a UI, isn't customizable enough, and needlessly destroys compatibility with I would say, several Terabytes of Microsoft Office documents made since Microsoft Word for MS DOS was around. And for anyone who's used Office in the past 10 years (oh say, nearly every fucking person who's used a computer in that time) Office 2007 is a fresh new and exciting way to frustrate themselves because all the buttons have moved. Microsoft needs to stop trying to be cool and just get things done. It works better that way. Ironically, the things I like the most about Vista aren't the things that make Vista look cool, their the things that make me more productive when I sit in front of it. Office 2007 makes me less productive. I know where almost all the controls are in Office 2003 thanks to a 1 semester class I had to take in College, even before that I knew where most of the functions were. I also kept the book from that class because its an excellent reference for people who don't absorb information instantly. There's no need to break the past 20 years because you're trying to get a bunch of Mac users happy. The main problem here is the UI for Office 2007 was developed by Mac programmers who have to come up with workarounds for a UI that's outdated, outclassed, and unable to effectively grow with the needs of tomorrow. The reason .docx is a failure is because it doesn't support everything .doc does. An open Document format that actually does what we've been doing for the past 20 years will be required to take office to the Write Once Read Anywhere level. Sacrificing Compatibility and a UI for this kind of stuff isn't acceptable in any way. Remember how pissed we were when Konami did DDR Extreme USA? Its the exact same thing, except this time its affecting people who write papers (which is just about everybody), instead of people who play music games (us).

tl;dr: Office 2007 blows big chunks. Wake up, get a clue, go out and buy Office 2003.

[neodude237]

Originally Posted by dieKatze88

No, I'm calling you dumb because you need a wake up call.

Office 2007 is a terrible excuse for an office suite. I haven't even bothered to try Outlook 2007 (seeing as Word 2007 and Excel 2007 piss me off just trying to print from them in my school's Computer labs). Ive used every single version of Office since Windows 3.1, and Office 2003 is by far the best version. Office 2003 breaks compatibility with earlier versions, has less features, takes longer to do things in, and is designed to tailor to a group of people who think that they sit in front of a computer. The reason Office 2007's menu system is broken is because it was designed on an Operating system who's menu system is broken. Ribbon is a terrible excuse for a UI, isn't customizable enough, and needlessly destroys compatibility with I would say, several Terabytes of Microsoft Office documents made since Microsoft Word for MS DOS was around. And for anyone who's used Office in the past 10 years (oh say, nearly every fucking person who's used a computer in that time) Office 2007 is a fresh new and exciting way to frustrate themselves because all the buttons have moved. Microsoft needs to stop trying to be cool and just get things done. It works better that way. Ironically, the things I like the most about Vista aren't the things that make Vista look cool, their the things that make me more productive when I sit in front of it. Office 2007 makes me less productive. I know where almost all the controls are in Office 2003 thanks to a 1 semester class I had to take in College, even before that I knew where most of the functions were. I also kept the book from that class because its an excellent reference for people who don't absorb information instantly. There's no need to break the past 20 years because you're trying to get a bunch of Mac users happy. The main problem here is the UI for Office 2007 was developed by Mac programmers who have to come up with workarounds for a UI that's outdated, outclassed, and unable to effectively grow with the needs of tomorrow. The reason .docx is a failure is because it doesn't support everything .doc does. An open Document format that actually does what we've been doing for the past 20 years will be required to take office to the Write Once Read Anywhere level. Sacrificing Compatibility and a UI for this kind of stuff isn't acceptable in any way. Remember how pissed we were when Konami did DDR Extreme USA? Its the exact same thing, except this time its affecting people who write papers (which is just about everybody), instead of people who play music games (us).

tl;dr: Office 2007 blows big chunks. Wake up, get a clue, go out and buy Office 2003.

I agree with that except what is in the bold.
I find OpenOffice better than 07 really

[Kyosuke Kagami]

Originally Posted by stuartwood89

Don't forget GIMP over Photoshop

Dude, I wish someone teaches me how to use GIMP.

Thing seems great, but it's also weird and not very intuitive for newbies

[dieKatze88]

Originally Posted by neodude237

I agree with that except what is in the bold.
I find OpenOffice better than 07 really

Fixed.

[t('' )]

Originally Posted by dieKatze88

No, I'm calling you dumb because you need a wake up call.

Office 2007 is a terrible excuse for an office suite. I haven't even bothered to try Outlook 2007 (seeing as Word 2007 and Excel 2007 piss me off just trying to print from them in my school's Computer labs). Ive used every single version of Office since Windows 3.1, and Office 2003 is by far the best version. Office 2007 breaks compatibility with earlier versions, has less features, takes longer to do things in, and is designed to tailor to a group of people who think that they sit in front of a computer. The reason Office 2007's menu system is broken is because it was designed on an Operating system who's menu system is broken. Ribbon is a terrible excuse for a UI, isn't customizable enough, and needlessly destroys compatibility with I would say, several Terabytes of Microsoft Office documents made since Microsoft Word for MS DOS was around. And for anyone who's used Office in the past 10 years (oh say, nearly every fucking person who's used a computer in that time) Office 2007 is a fresh new and exciting way to frustrate themselves because all the buttons have moved. Microsoft needs to stop trying to be cool and just get things done. It works better that way. Ironically, the things I like the most about Vista aren't the things that make Vista look cool, their the things that make me more productive when I sit in front of it. Office 2007 makes me less productive. I know where almost all the controls are in Office 2003 thanks to a 1 semester class I had to take in College, even before that I knew where most of the functions were. I also kept the book from that class because its an excellent reference for people who don't absorb information instantly. There's no need to break the past 20 years because you're trying to get a bunch of Mac users happy. The main problem here is the UI for Office 2007 was developed by Mac programmers who have to come up with workarounds for a UI that's outdated, outclassed, and unable to effectively grow with the needs of tomorrow. The reason .docx is a failure is because it doesn't support everything .doc does. An open Document format that actually does what we've been doing for the past 20 years will be required to take office to the Write Once Read Anywhere level. Sacrificing Compatibility and a UI for this kind of stuff isn't acceptable in any way. Remember how pissed we were when Konami did DDR Extreme USA? Its the exact same thing, except this time its affecting people who write papers (which is just about everybody), instead of people who play music games (us).

tl;dr: Office 2007 blows big chunks. Wake up, get a clue, go out and buy Office 2003.

you do know you can still save in .doc right? you can even use it as the default.
why is it that for some reason you can't accept that I like 2007? i never grew used to the 2003 interface and ended up just remembering the keyboard shortcuts. the keyboard shortcuts are the same in both so the interface changes don't bother me.

[WiLLiSTER]

I like using 07. 03 runs a lot faster, but meh, I like that look of 07 better.

And the menus aren't that fucking confusing. But hey, I'm not here to argue.

[dieKatze88]

Originally Posted by Baroque Obama

you do know you can still save in .doc right? you can even use it as the default.
why is it that for some reason you can't accept that I like 2007? i never grew used to the 2003 interface and ended up just remembering the keyboard shortcuts. the keyboard shortcuts are the same in both so the interface changes don't bother me.

And? Saving in .doc doesnt mean you can use all the features of it. That being the fucking point.

And the only keyboard shortcuts I use in Office are Ctrl+S, Ctrl+P, Ctrl+I, Ctrl+B, and F7, and those are all standard across everything. Microsoft doesnt need to move menus around to appeal to the masses of stupid people who think that Macs are real computers.

[stuartwood89]

Originally Posted by Kyosuke Kagami

Dude, I wish someone teaches me how to use GIMP.

Thing seems great, but it's also weird and not very intuitive for newbies

I was using GIMP way before I started with Photoshop, though Photoshop does have a much better interface, especially CS3. GIMP operates in several windows on the desktop, whereas Photoshops before CS3 contained smaller windows inside a main window. The two are basically the same, except you'll find tools in different places.... and one costs around £700 more than the other


On the topic of 2007:
In terms of the interface, I personally didn't have much of a problem adjusting to it, and I still use 2000/2003 with ease at school. I agree with Cat88 on the .docx thing, just seems like a pointless exercise to make an entirely new format. However, that said, I've had no problems with reverse compatibility. If I create a Word 2007 document at home (saved as .docx), it works fine when I open it up on 2003 at school.

To me this is an arguement between old and new. If someone asked me to compare XP to Vista, I'd say that XP is better because I've been using it for years and I'm comfortable with it. Vista is intuitive and productive, but I still find myself spending minutes finding programs using the new start menu. Matter of personal opinion I guess.

[too sexy for this club]

The fact is just that you don't make a completely rearranged interface for software that has been around for many, many years and has been the industry standard for all that time.

You also don't want to break compatibility, even partially, with old versions of said software.

It's just common sense and it was totally not being used here.

[Excel-2010]

Proven functionality is slowly giving way to aesthetics. This has to change.

[too sexy for this club]

[dieKatze88]

Originally Posted by k⁄⁄eternal

This.