Talk on broadband internet

[Blackraven]

Broadband internet is the way to go. Around the world, broadband internet adoption is growing while the number of dial-up users are dropping. The benefits in terms of speed, instant-connection (no need to wait for minutes for that long-ass dial tone), cost-efficiency and the like all favor broadband internet. Speeds are increasing and costs are dropping. Truly, broadband (in both wired and wireless 'flavors') is the way to go for high-speed internet access.

So let's go ahead and talk about anything that is related to broadband internet.

P.S.
Btw, I have a question:
What is the fastest internet speed known to man (today).

I've personally heard of 1000 Mbps/1 Gbps (aka Gigabit internet) connections. I think it's already being made available in some places like in Japan and in Hong Kong (using PCCW fiber-optic connections).

My question is:
What do you think is the fastest speeds that each method provides: Cable (using DOCSIS 3.0), DSL (probably through ADSL 2+), Wifi (probably Wireless N or Wimax 802.16 or 3G HSDPA/HSUPA or upcoming 4G), fiber-optic (like what Verizon does with its FIOS service in America).

And what do you think is the fastest???

Thanks

[AceJay]

No one has dial up, what are you talking about?

Also FiOS is the best.

[dieKatze88]

where the hell have you been? This thread belonged about 10 years ago.


You also have no idea what the hell Wifi is. Wifi is 802.11 ONLY. All those other standards mentioned there are just wireless, but have nothing to do with Wireless Ethernet.

[dat shit cray]

I've never heard of this broadband internet stuff tell me more.

Will I be able to receive calls while using the internet?

[WiLLiSTER]

Originally Posted by holy what

I've never heard of this broadband internet stuff tell me more.

Will I be able to receive calls while using the internet?

No, that's just absurd. Using the phone while being on the internet, what kind of world do you think we live in?

[dat shit cray]

Originally Posted by WiLLiSTER

No, that's just absurd. Using the phone while being on the internet, what kind of world do you think we live in?

Well, sir, the original poster in this thread was lauding this "broadband internet" stuff like it was something magical that makes webpages load in fractions of seconds, permitting internet users to watch high quality videos, view image rich web content, and other things that require a level of technology much greater than what it is now. Sorry if my imagination ran a little wild.

[WiLLiSTER]

Originally Posted by holy what

Well, sir, the original poster in this thread was lauding this "broadband internet" stuff like it was something magical that makes webpages load in fractions of seconds, permitting internet users to watch high quality videos, view image rich web content, and other things that require a level of technology much greater than what it is now. Sorry if my imagination ran a little wild.

It happens to the best of us. Now, had you started talking about magically getting onto the internet without any sort of cables, that would be a different story...

[dat shit cray]

Originally Posted by WiLLiSTER

It happens to the best of us. Now, had you started talking about magically getting onto the internet without any sort of cables, that would be a different story...

Where do you come up with this shit?

[WiLLiSTER]

I just shot for the impossible and then took another step.

[helix eternal]

Originally Posted by dieKatze88

You also have no idea what the hell Wifi is. Wifi is 802.11 ONLY. All those other standards mentioned there are just wireless, but have nothing to do with Wireless Ethernet.

802.11 and 802.16 are both wireless broadband networking standards, 802.3 is Ethernet. From what I know from experience and all I've read, 802.11 has nothing to do with Ethernet. You can definitely have an 802.11 wireless network set up without any Ethernet involved. You can connect to an Ethernet network with 802.11 wireless but it is not required.

[dieKatze88]

Originally Posted by helix eternal

802.11 and 802.16 are both wireless broadband networking standards, 802.3 is Ethernet. From what I know from experience and all I've read, 802.11 has nothing to do with Ethernet. You can definitely have an 802.11 wireless network set up without any Ethernet involved. You can connect to an Ethernet network with 802.11 wireless but it is not required.

802.11 Is technically not Wireless Ethernet, however, lets look at this another way, Its gotten so bad that the entire networking industry has started calling it that, While 802.11 defines no spectrum it should be used over (no good IEEE standard does) it does define what 802.11 should be used for: Local Area Networks. It's not meant to be a broadband technology (however, some cities and ISPs are incorrectly using it as such and fucking things up for everybody else) and probably in no serious way, never will be.

The "Wireless Ethernet" term comes from the term "Ethernet" becoming a synonym to "Local Area Network" because there was a time (read: 1980s and early 90s) when Ethernet was not your only choice for Local Area Networks. As such, 802.11 is commonly labeled "Wireless Ethernet" due to its compatible frame type and plug-and-play natures.

As for WiMax, that technology is a goddamn failure. While Yes, Broadband internet, true, but commercially viable, false. 802.16 failed in Australia 2 years ago when they found that Speed versus distance had problems unsurprisingly similar to Wifi. In other countries, Wimax is having a hard time taking off compared to 3.5g networks, where you can be nearly guaranteed great coverage and great data rates. I have 1 bar on my HSDPA phone and can still hit 3.6mb/s Downstream and 700kb/s upstream with a 200ms latency, Wimax will never be able to do that in a commercial installation on the high frequencies it's being subscribed to, also, pitched as a successor to the CDMA-2000 technology, but ignored by the largest CDMA-2000 operators (read: Most Importantly, Verizon Wireless in the United States) in favor of moving to the 4g evolution of the GSM Technology, LTE, complete with a low 700mhz band to boot. Imagine having 4g signal, with 100mb/s both ways while moving 60mph, everywhere in the United States. Thats what the partnership between Verizon Wireless and AT&T Wireless is going to create in the next 3 years. With the corporate dropout of support on WiMax, don't expect it to stick too much longer.

[AceJay]

Rofl Dan why'd you have to be all smart in this topic jesus

[dieKatze88]

Originally Posted by AceJay

Rofl Dan why'd you have to be all smart in this topic jesus

I'm going to school for this. I can't help it.

[phuzion]

To answer your question on who has the fastest internet? It's a 75 year old woman in Sweden. Her internet connection could pretty much max out the pipes of most mid-sized datacenters. She gets 40gbps to her home.

You live in the US and have cable internet? Your connection is probably about .003-.015gbps. FiOS? .005-.025gbps. University connection with no limits? Assuming you have just a standard consumer NIC, not much higher than 1gbps.

Yeah. Give up, she won. Residential connections won't come close to this for about 5-10 years minimum. That's in Sweden. 20 years for the US at least, unless Verizon and other companies start rolling out a TON of fiber really fast.

[dieKatze88]

Originally Posted by phuzion

To answer your question on who has the fastest internet? It's a 75 year old woman in Sweden. Her internet connection could pretty much max out the pipes of most mid-sized datacenters. She gets 40gbps to her home.

You live in the US and have cable internet? Your connection is probably about .003-.015gbps. FiOS? .005-.025gbps. University connection with no limits? Assuming you have just a standard consumer NIC, not much higher than 1gbps.

Yeah. Give up, she won. Residential connections won't come close to this for about 5-10 years minimum. That's in Sweden. 20 years for the US at least, unless Verizon and other companies start rolling out a TON of fiber really fast.

You forget that Verizon's fiber is passive. Active fiber can do speeds in gigabits per a second, in fact, I hear whispers of Terabit Ethernet over Fiber. (Clarification: 1tb/s Ethernet would move the entire contents of a 1TB hard disk in 8 seconds if it weren't for Ethernet frames. In practice it would take closer to 9 seconds. Assuming of course that you have a disk drive capable of maintaining a read rate of 125 gigabytes per second.)

Verizon's passively routed fiber however, can only reach about 300mb/s. Despite what they may try to claim. And, even then, we have a fios box at my job. the ethernet port on the bottom of it spits out 100mb/s. That's as fast as that net connection is going to go. Period.

Keep in mind, the smaller a country is in Europe and the more spread out it is, the more likely it is to have fast internet connections. In the USA we tend to live in larger groups and spread our actual POPs across larger areas of land than in other countries. A lot of that having to do with other countries having better infrastructures for data than many parts of the united states. Like here in New Jersey and New York there's fiber everywhere. It was once said "Welcome to New York, where the streets are paved with gold... and lined with fiber optic cable." This area had some of the first commercial broadband connections. I know a guy who has been on the same DSL contract for 24 years. He only gets 256kb/s both ways... but he only pays 12 bucks a month for it. A large number of people in this country still have an ISDN connection as their option for "broadband" internet. ISDN stands for "It Still Does Nothing" and the reason for this is longer runs for data in the United States tend to be run as Copper (or, depending on the contractor, Copper Substitute). Giving lower aggregate bandwidth for a large area of people, especially when spread out. Large areas of this country still do not receive Cable TV and don't understand what a DSL connection is because there's a length limit imposed on those and the phone company simply isn't local enough to make it happen. I guarantee you that if you look hard enough, you can find a local Dialup or ISDN operator that runs their services off of 1 or 2 T3 connections bonded together. While these people do provide higher bandwidth at low cost to rural areas, its not quite the same situation as it is in Europe. Europe gets fiber runs everywhere. If there was no existing data infrastructure (like there is in the United States, we have fucking copper telephone lines EVERYWHERE) then they run fiber. Fiber carries everything and rejects nobody. It also provides a convenient way to put 10gbps of pipe into a small mountain town in say, Sweden. As a result, because the Fiber pays for its self now a days, the local operators get to fight over who can provide the most bandwidth at the lowest cost. compare that to New Jersey, we have a law here called "keep it local" but what it really means is "Make mini monopolies." The law basically states that service providers (any service) can bid on parts of New Jersey (say, my town of Madison) to provide a particular service to that area. Cablevision owns Madison NJ's Cable Television service rights. However, I could get FiOS because it comes in over a different medium. More or less the same thing is done with the rest of the things that come in to your house over a wire. The only thing it isn't universally done with as far as I can tell is traditional copper telephones. You can still choose between Verizon and At&T, and Cellular service, which is just universal. These laws stiffarm innovation and competitiveness. Why should Cablevision charge say, 30 dollars a month instead of 50 for its Optimum Online service when they have no competitor? Verizon charges 100 dollars a month and requires you to sign up for their TV service which requires a full rewiring of your house. It makes the package seem very unattractive to most people (However, I have been making money off of people who want their FiOS wiring done by someone who isn't a high school dropout, like most of the Telephone installers around here) Consumers in this area choose Cablevision, and Cablevision gets to charge whatever they want. Welcome to Networking. It works the exact same way with big pipes in many cases.