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Old 04-24-2009, 09:19 AM   #16
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:06 AM   #17
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tl;dr thecat88 likes to hear himself talk
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Old 04-26-2009, 01:20 PM   #18
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tl;dr thecat88 likes to hear himself talk
Haha, I noticed that too as well (though to give him credit, even if it was quite hard to read, at least what he was discussing was technical and somewhat informative as well).

Anyways:
This is looking to be an interesting discussion so I guess it's only befitting that I do my best to contribute to it proactively.

I've been hearing a lot of things about broadband internet via method of using Fiber Optic cables. First time I heard of it was during an application by EMBED card systems for use as method of payment for video arcade games (using swipe card method) with card readers that are linked up using Fiber Optic connections linked up to a central server which manages all accounts of cardholders, the amount of credits/load in it and other info to name a few. Sure, during the first year or two, the system implemented hear was plagued with technical problems such as lag time between swiping and the credit being triggered into the machine and stuff like that but eventually, it became seamless and efficient (and for people who don't like carrying huge bags of coins/tokens, this was a major remedy for them).

After which, the only time I've heard about the word "Fiber Optic" (and how I began to think about it) was only during three years ago.

First iteration I've heard of it:
Hong Kong Broadband Network the first in China SAR to implement fiber-optic connection; offers speeds up to 1 Gbps



They said that it was a cornerstone of a HK$2.6 BILLION deal with Cisco Systems for the Metro Ethernet for Hong Kong. As such, it bore fruit by providing a broadband internet connection that provided 1000 Mbit/s upstream and 1000 Mbit/s downstream. One price for unlimited usage (HK$260 per month I think)

They said however that when accessing content outside of Hong Kong, Macau or Mainland China, the internet speed would automatically be capped at 20 Mbit/s (both ways).

Then came Richard Li and his PCCW company to compete with their rivals:


Thus, came Netvigator (which includes the flagship FIBER OPTIC PLAN)



Pricier at 2,000 Hong Kong dollars a month but in return, they give you a free modem, plus two free SD channels and two free HD channels on their IPTV service incl. TV STB decoder box plus a free landline (with unlimited calls), free cellphone/mobile phone line and free PCCW Wifi (up to 2 Mbps in any of their 6,000 hotspots).

They call this the "MULTI-PLAY" experience. And best of all, they guarantee that you have access to maximum possible speed of 1000 Mbit/s for connections in Hong Kong and as well as all over the world (i.e. no bandwith capping)

Soon after, I keep hearing about 1 Gbps and Fiber optic internet used in other countries such as Japan, South Korea, some areas of Europe, etc.

Then, I've also read that they can boost the speed for residential consumers to beyond 1 GBPS by improving on 'multiplexing technology'. Sounds really cool.

Boy I can't wait for this stuff to arrive in my country (if it will ever arrive though ). Just have to be optimistic I guess.

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I do have a few questions though:

1) Is Fiber Optic the only way to get 1 Gbps internet speeds and beyond? Can such speeds be possible using ADSL2+ or VDSL2 connections or even DOCSIS 3.0 Cable connections?

2) Is there anything that is faster than Fiber Optic (for data transmission)?

3) Can we emulate such speeds but in a wireless setting? (this may be extremely difficult but it the possiblity of getting 1 Gbps speeds and beyond there for wireless connections?)

Oh and I'm thinking of trying out Wimax within this year. I think one operator is offering me Wimax USB modems to connect to their network at a slow but reliable 512 kbps network. Costs 795 pesos a month and unlimited usage which is pretty fair (considering its new tech).

I'm also gonna compare it to the rival operator's offering of wireless internet via HSDPA. They say they can offer me unlimited usage at a faster 2 Mbps (though this is dependent).

I'm definitely gonna check out on their pros and cons hopefully so hang to your seats.

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I do have a few questions though:

1) Is Fiber Optic the only way to get 1 Gbps internet speeds and beyond? Can such speeds be possible using ADSL2+ or VDSL2 connections or even DOCSIS 3.0 Cable connections?

2) Is there anything that is faster than Fiber Optic (for data transmission)?

3) Can we emulate such speeds but in a wireless setting? (this may be extremely difficult but it the possiblity of getting 1 Gbps speeds and beyond there for wireless connections?)

Oh and I'm thinking of trying out Wimax within this year. I think one operator is offering me Wimax USB modems to connect to their network at a slow but reliable 512 kbps network. Costs 795 pesos a month and unlimited usage which is pretty fair (considering its new tech).

I'm also gonna compare it to the rival operator's offering of wireless internet via HSDPA. They say they can offer me unlimited usage at a faster 2 Mbps (though this is dependent).

I'm definitely gonna check out on their pros and cons hopefully so hang to your seats.

Hehe

1. Right now? Yeah. Fiber Optics is the only way to get 1gb+ speeds on a WAN connection. However, you're looking at Point to Point connections for 1gbps or higher and the connection costs for those can be on the order of tens of thousands of dollars a month. (Not including setup or maintenance costs.)

2. Yeah. Me expressing my anger by planting my foot up someone's ass. It's transmitting data and its super fast.

3. Someday. For now, learn to live with 20mb/s each way.

4. HSDPA coverage is almost certain to be better. It definitely is in nearly 99.9% of the developed world. Don't look for WiMAX to thrive, because that ship is sinking quick and might take down Sprint-Nextel with it. Stick with LTE, Might not be first to market, but it certainly wont suck.
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:25 AM   #20
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actually to correct you on point 3, G4 networks have been shown to be able to support up to 1gbps down while stationary
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:36 AM   #22
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Another interesting going on with 3.5G is what is known as HSPA+ (or Evolved HSPA).
Evolved HSPA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Based on what I've read about it in that link, it seems to offer AT LEAST twice the speeds than that of the fastest iterations of HSDPA and HSUPA, respectively. Most of all, it doesn't take much modification to existing 3.5G infrastructure so I definitely could see this in my country very soon (I hope) .

Though for me personally, I'm more excited about LTE Advanced (which I think ranvlm_zkatalus mentioned in his earlier post).
LTE Advanced - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 3GPP is apparently trying to promote this as the standard that will become of 4G and they mention along with providing seamless connection to GSM, CDMA and WCDMA frequencies (among others). Most importantly, the connection speeds being offered are indeed a cut above all other current wireless standards. Wow.

In fact, if the trial performed by NTT Docomo two years ago was of any indication, then that means that 5 Gbit/s downlink speed would be possible (even whilst moving at 10 km/h). However, if they could guarantee an uplink speed of AT LEAST 1 Gbit/s as well, then that would be frickin awesome.

That means that it would be just as fast as current FTTH residential fiber optic internet connections offered by providers such as HKBN, PCCW and KDDI of 1 Gbps both ways.

Simply put: Fiber optic landline internet speeds (in Gbps) whilst enjoying the freedom and mobility of a wireless connection. Holy shit!!!

That would be truly amazing, now wouldn't it?

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Old 04-28-2009, 11:38 AM   #23
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So any extra words on the study that says Internet failures will happen by next year?

Because of lofty bandwidths killing the backbones that can't keep up, apparently.
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whenever the network is actually put into place we will see
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