Anything wrong with never clearing lvl. 10+ songs?

[Exagon]

Originally Posted by modarius

if you cant aaa 12s youre not good. but those are my standards :[]

Phew, thank god I've got V AAA I can call myself decent haha.

[Meseki]

Originally Posted by ACID HAUS

I think people on this website should compile a list of 10-12 songs from easiest to highest. Obviously some 11's would be lower than 10's (ahaha D.C. FISH ahaha), I think it would reeeeally help a lot of players around that area. I know I'd like to know what 12's to tackle first.

The problem with doing that is because there is no absolute easiest 10/11/12 (Unless, of course, it's horribly misrated)
For example, I believe that D.C. Fish is not doubtlessly the easiest 11 to clear compared to Captivate ~Jouka~, and Love is Eternity is by no means as easy an 11 to normal clear as some make it out to be. I also beat four pieces of heaven with over half of DJT's 11s left to clear, and I still can't beat Fascination MAXX [H] despite it being one of my last 3 11s on GOLD.

[jobber2022497]

Originally Posted by Exagon

I've considered trying to compile lists for the different difficulties like easy 10s, medium 10s, hard 10s, easy 11s, medium 11s, hard 11s, easy 12s, medium 12s, and hard 12s but thought that people probably wouldn't care.

I'd be perfectly willing to contribute to such list though.

As someone who is just breaking into the 10s, I'd care...

[Sicksixix]

i started at the end of last summer, and it took me about 8 months until i could actually get halfway of promise[a] with that goddamn turntable. i only seem to improve the most after taking a break for like a week or so, but practicing at least gets your hands used to moving in certain positions while you digest the patterns to hopefully be able to process later.

[もも]

Originally Posted by Meseki

The problem with doing that is because there is no absolute easiest 10/11/12 (Unless, of course, it's horribly misrated)
For example, I believe that D.C. Fish is not doubtlessly the easiest 11 to clear compared to Captivate ~Jouka~, and Love is Eternity is by no means as easy an 11 to normal clear as some make it out to be. I also beat four pieces of heaven with over half of DJT's 11s left to clear, and I still can't beat Fascination MAXX [H] despite it being one of my last 3 11s on GOLD.

True, but it's still SO useful considering IIDX's rating system pales in comparison to GFDM and pop'ns

We could do something as simple as


Level 10
-9.5s (listed as 10 but easy as 9)
-Easy 10's
-Mid-range 10's
-Hard 10's
-Very Hard 10's (10's that should be 11's, GOLD's Denjin song comes to mind)

Level 11
-10.5's
-Easy
-Mid-Range
-Hard
-Very Hard

Level 12
-11.5's
-Easy 12's
-Mid-range 12's
-Hard 12's
-GOBBLE
etc.

it would be nice if we could break it down to each song's place in the difficulty hierarchy so people would know a ball park of what song to go after next and I would be willing to help with the 10's as I've cleared a good chunk of them, I'm sure I could get my friend to help with some 11's and I'd want some input from 1000+ AAA players. I'm sure it would be really useful for everyone in their own way.

So, I'm down to help if some other people wanted to help.

[modarius]

Originally Posted by ACID HAUS

I'd want some input from 1000+ AAA players.

hahaha that shit doesnt mean ANYTHING. just sayin

[DragTheCigaretteKing]

@Acid Haus
I might not be a top tier player but I know some easy 10s when I see them...hope this helps

Easy 10's
Fire Fire [h], Time To Air [h], Be OK [a]

Medium 10's
fffff [h], 1st Samurai [h], Mei [h], Freeway Shuffle [a], Flowers [a], Zenius-i-Vanisher [a], Concertino in Blue [h]
PHOTONGENIC [h]

Hard 10's
Icarus [h], four pieces of heaven [h], Steel Needle [h],Kakumei [h], Biometric Warrior [h]

Very Hard 10's
Kakumei [a]

[Exagon]

Originally Posted by modarius

hahaha that shit doesnt mean ANYTHING. just sayin

Rofl so true.

In any case, I think that splitting each difficulty (10/11/12) into 5 different rankings each is a bit hectic. If anything I'd start with 3, i.e. easy, medium and hard, because that way you don't have to agonize over whether an easy 10 should be "very easy" or "easy." Then, if you really want, within those easy, medium, hard lists you can generally rank them.

I'm leaving for Japan on June 17th for 3 weeks, but I'd be very interested to contribute when I get back. If nobody starts it, I'll get it going once I return.

[Fred 00]

oh cool, I've passed Kakumei and I can hardly do any 10s. What should be on the list are all the 9s on Distorted that should really be really high 10s, like Type Mars


also lol at Gobble being a 12

[Exagon]

Another thing I just thought of when rating songs for difficulty...

There are potentially three different ways I could see songs being rated, i.e. difficulties re: normal clear, hard clear, and timing. For instance, I'd consider tripping contact[A] to be an easy 12 in terms of hard clearing (because nothing drops my bar down, and I always go into the ending with 100%, no problem), but it's a ton harder to normal clear, so much harder than I haven't even normal cleared yet.

My only point in mentioning that is that if we start rating songs according to their "difficulty," we should be clear on what standard we're going by, because if we don't our ratings might differ a lot.

[HIT THE KEY]

Originally Posted by Exagon

Another thing I just thought of when rating songs for difficulty...

There are potentially three different ways I could see songs being rated, i.e. difficulties re: normal clear, hard clear, and timing. For instance, I'd consider tripping contact[A] to be an easy 12 in terms of hard clearing (because nothing drops my bar down, and I always go into the ending with 100%, no problem), but it's a ton harder to normal clear, so much harder than I haven't even normal cleared yet.

My only point in mentioning that is that if we start rating songs according to their "difficulty," we should be clear on what standard we're going by, because if we don't our ratings might differ a lot.

Should Random/Mirror be put into consideration? I say this because of songs like Kakumei which are quite hard on the standard chart but can be made a lot easier using random.

[Exagon]

Originally Posted by HIT THE KEY

Should Random/Mirror be put into consideration? I say this because of songs like Kakumei which are quite hard on the standard chart but can be made a lot easier using random.

Oh yes, they are a definite consideration. Ideally, we would rank the songs and put notes like "so easy on random" or "mirror makes it easy" and stuff. I think generally though, random makes harder songs easier, so really I don't think it's that useful to make them a factor when ranking songs.

Probably it's just best to go with the original non-randomed/non-options charts and rate those.

[prodygee]

Originally Posted by Quantium

At this point, I'm kinda wondering about the fact that I don't think I'll ever be able to clear anything higher then a level 10 song. I've tried practicing, alternating styles, playing with thumbs, etc.
Another thing is that I don't really find 10+ lvl. songs that much fun to play. I'm trying to mash so many keys that I find I don't really enjoy the song or even playing the song that much. So, like the topic states, in the realm of IIDX players, are you looked down at if your not able to play max level songs and whatnot? I consider myself a good IIDX player, but I don't think I'll ever ascend higher then 9's.

There are enough 11 songs now which are still fun to play if you ask me. Play a while using Random. I did this for a week and I tried Waxing and Wanding on another again, (without rand) and my score significantly increased because of it.

[もも]

Originally Posted by modarius

hahaha that shit doesnt mean ANYTHING. just sayin

You know I'm saying a lot of ideas very quickly here so beg my pardon hahahaha

I think we should base them off of normal clear, no ran/mir, because that's, well, neutral. However I agree that notes such as, "Ridiculously easy with HARD on (Love Is Eternity, Innocent Walls, 69", "Random is one of the only way a Level 10 player will clear this (Shounen A[7k])", "Only hard due to scratches (Halfway of Promise)", or even, "However, if you're really good at timing you can bring your bar up to pass at the very end (DUE TOMORROW[a])"

[TBsmasher]

Originally Posted by ACID HAUS

Level 12
-11.5's
-Easy 12's
-Mid-range 12's
-Hard 12's
-GOBBLE
etc.

Wait, are we including doubles for this since you're bringing up gobble? If so, I've been playing doubles for 1.5 years and I can clear a few 11's. I could probably help out a bit on the lower end of the list.