Arcade timing

[Dreamcube017]

I'm sure there's a thread out there like this but...

How different is the arcade timing from the home version timing. Is the arcade timing a few ms later or earlier. Is the timing difference in the game software or in the buttons themselves? Thanks

[HentaiUsagi]

They're different. It varies. Both.

[Dreamcube017]

Hmm... Thanks. So I'll have to get used to that then I guess.

[b00geyman]

its hard to make a comparison between the two since we all play on different tvs each with different varying degrees of lag.

you just gotta find out for yourself really.

[Dreamcube017]

Hm. I guess you're right. I wonder why it is that the arcade ones run on flat LCD HD-like screens and don't have that odd lag problem... is it because it's going straight from digital to digital and not anolog?

[GA.Mole]

Originally Posted by Dreamcube017

Hm. I guess you're right. I wonder why it is that the arcade ones run on flat LCD HD-like screens and don't have that odd lag problem... is it because it's going straight from digital to digital and not anolog?

That would be because they aren't HD or LCD. The first version to advertise what looks like an LCD (not a CRT, anyway) is DJ Troopers. And that's optional.

[Solefald]

A lot of them definitely are LCD, and they definitely do lag, however it's just a slight amount. Visually, AC timing is a few ms later - I can read about 595 bpm comfortably on CS, and only 550 bpm comfortably on AC.

[LilRabbitToy]

Yes, it varies a lot!

Though I'm not a Beatmania expert, I believe the timing depends on many variables. First of all there is the lag on your TV, so if your TV produces any sort of lag on the game, then the timing will be off. Second there is your controller, which can produce lag if it's been worn out through rough play of V. Also it also depends on the version of the game you play on. I heard Happy Sky CS had a timing system that fits with your TV, but idk (correct me if I'm wrong). Other CS versions have horrible timing if I can recall--9th Style CS.

When I play Beatmania IIDX in the arcade, I feel like I'm always getting more Goods than Greats because the timing feels really "off" compare to what I'm use to with the CS versions. But how you said 3ms sounds right to me.

[Compass]

Originally Posted by LilRabbitToy

Yes, it varies a lot!

Though I'm not a Beatmania expert...

And the rest of your post really nailed that home.

[Solefald]

Originally Posted by LilRabbitToy

I heard Happy Sky CS had a timing system that fits with your TV, but idk (correct me if I'm wrong). Other CS versions have horrible timing if I can recall--9th Style CS.

With Happy Sky CS (and DD CS) you can adjust the timing to compensate for your TV lag. But if you set the timing to 0 (default) on Happy Sky, I personally think the timing is nearly identical to 9th CS. It's 9th AC that had really bad timing.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

9yh CS messes me up hardore, but I do fine on HS CS. I'm confused.

[Dreamcube017]

Wow so even though the arcade ones are connected to the monitor through uh.... wait. What are they connected to the monitor with anyway? VGA, Composite, component?

So if IIDX (CS or AC) was running off a CRT monitor, it wouldn't get lag from that at all?

Sorry, just curious as to how the AC ones work compared to the home versions.

[m-force]

The arcade version has the Widescreen CRT TV connected to a VGA output from the Bemani Computer. I hoping 15th and up will have more video output options, like DVI, HDMI, and Composite, for IIDX machines that plays on HDTVs.

Timing on Arcade Versions are more strict than the Home Versions.

[Dreamcube017]

Ok, thanks.
Wow... cool then. Man, more strict, just what I don't need. :P

[PooIs]

Actually, that's not true of GOLD. GOLD seems to have about the same timing as CS styles. It was very easy to get AA and AAA rankings on GOLD.