Beatmania has helped my musicianship.

[Quantium]

I've only been playing BM for about 3 weeks now, but I think I've finally conquered a difficult step with my piano playing. Ever since I started playing piano, I've always had a problem with being able to play something using both hands at the same time. I know this is somewhat of a basic condition of playing the instrument, but it's always given me problems. I haven't practiced piano on probably 2-3 years because of this. After playing these games since I got them, I've finally learned how to move both my hands while playing notes quite well. Has anybody else kinda used these games as "hand training" tools? Now I just have to improve my speed, and I'll be ready to get back to the piano.

[hidehide]

Actually I think beatmania doesnt help you playing music.. especially when you played alot and trying to AAA songs.. you are pretty much like a robot..
Every person plays the same piece of music, but they all sounded differently. Its because of the timing and the dynamics.. eg, sad songs, u play softly n a bit slower than usual timing
While when you mastered beatmania, your timing will be robotic..

However, in the beginning, it helps.

[Communism]

For three weeks? I would've been on 5*s and 6*s playing every day for the first three weeks, and they don't nearly require as much simultaneous hand movement as playing a piano does. You don't feel like you're remotely playing a piano until late 8*s, and even then the feeling's a bit lacking.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. Sure it's fun to tell your parents that IIDX works for practicing an instrument...but let's face it, it's no substitute.

With instruments, there is an infinite amount of musicality and emotion that one can incorporate in playing. But with IIDX, it's just everyone's weird idiosyncrasy that appears in their style of button mashing. Like my weird hand spasm I get with fast triplets that makes them sound sped up. Other than that, songs still sound the same when played by tatsujin.

It's always good that you're enjoying IIDX though.

BTW I play cello, and I see no real effect.

[stinlin]

I had a friend who used to play piano and IIDX a LOT, and he said the same thing...It kind of does teach you to separate your left and right hands, which is INCREDIBLY important for piano playing.

I wouldn't say it helped you MUSICIANSHIP, as that more refers to stylistic nuances and such, but I would say it helped your technique. That might be the better word here.

[Quantium]

Yea stinlin, I should've changed the topic to "paino playing". :P

[stinlin]

Originally Posted by Quantium

Yea stinlin, I should've changed the topic to "paino playing". :P

Haha - yeah, I would totally agree that this would help your piano playing. Playing Presto makes me want to take up piano.

[vader_seven_]

Well.

Musicianship is created in the same way that some people time.

When I play (IIDX), I try to hear exactly what the clicks of my fingers should sound like before I hit the keys and then try to recreate that sound. This means Im trying to play exactly what I want to play.

Musicianship is really created in the same way. When you want to make something sound "sad" you will have an idea of what that sounds like to you in your head.



Really, IIDX helps you to confidently do exactly what you want to do. Thats such a hard skill. Its a key one in music (in general) and in muscianship.

Thats how I see it at least.

[PICASIO PICASIO]

I'd like to address Depeche Mode's 'Just Can't Get Enough' single. First single as I recall from their very first album. 4 NOTES. 4 WHITE KEYS. ALL right next to each other. It's the definition of pop. You can play this on a beatmania controller. I'm not saying it'll turn you into a concert pianist but it does help me separate my hands. I can now play bass on the piano much like the original poster. I don't exactly know musicianship IS. I doubt that's really even a plausible term, but it's not like you have to be a piano god to lash out some 80's tunes on a casio. Think of punk, it's easy, untalented, and a cock waving contest, but I love it for that. They're musicians. Sooo... oops. :\

[vader_seven_]

musicianship means interpretation and/or phrasing.

[PICASIO PICASIO]

We have a discrepancy. And besides, op OBVIOUSLY means his playing, which I think more than fits into musicianship, which sounds like it more means any aspect of playing/creating music.

IMO

[stinlin]

Originally Posted by vader_seven_

musicianship means interpretation and/or phrasing.

Quoted for truth right here. IIDX won't help with this at all, no offense.

[Lyth]

IIDX (along with all the other bemani games), if any, only assists with developing rhythm and offers a crash course on music theory. It doesn't do anything anymore than that, at least for me. I play the piano.

[afex.racer_X]

Well, IIDX I'm not so sure about. But Drummania IS playing the drums on Extreme. As long as that song was made on a 5 piece kit. There are a lot of songs that have several cymbals, crashes etc. but are played on a hi-hat and cymbal. IIDX and piano I'm not so sure of. I can see it helping with hand placement and maybe even positioning when it comes to scales and such. But I mean if you play Keyboardmania on double and Real, it's playing that specific song on the piano.

[generik88]

i found it to be quite a bit of help for me, not necessarily in the creation/ interpretation, but i can finger pluck allot faster on bass now, and my fret hand is alot faster to.
i would not say that IIDX helps anyone with musical understanding, but when it comes to building chops and metal fingers, i think it helps allot!

[Quantium]

Ok, I guess I used the wrong term. By "musicianship" I meant that my skill at moving my hands around together, as well as playing different things with each hand. And I also meant that it's helped doing other types of note patterns like "1-2-1" or "1-5-6" quickly instead of "A-C-E-G-E-C-A" type movements.