Beatmania IIDX 16 Empress CS discussion

[TOFU!!]

Originally Posted by Xythar

I'm not going to pretend Empress CS isn't disappointing compared to DJT just because it's better than nothing. That's inane. I've paid for the game (paid a ridiculous amount for the complete edition, in fact) so I've done plenty to support Konami; I don't think an honest assessment of the game is going to hurt their feelings.

I would have easily taken more CS songs or 5 key revivals over repeats from recent styles. I should think that's a pretty obvious decision.

And of course it's lazier to just put in a ton of repeat songs over new stuff. One takes far less effort on their part than the other. Empress CS is essentially quantity over quality.

Empress is just less quantity overall in terms of new songs. I don't think the quality of Empress is much less than that of Troopers. And don't assume that what's obvious to you is obvious to Konami. What if their goal was to cram as many of the players' favorite songs onto one game, plus have all the new Empress songs? Then they certainly met their goal eh? Who cares about recent songs being revived? If they're good, they belong on Premium Best. Besides, the people at Konami that make the decisions do very little when it comes to making new songs, as that burden is held by the artists that make the videos and music and charts. Konami deciding not to make more CS songs does not necessarily mean that Konami is lazy. It doesn't prove anyone was lazy! We can only speculate as to why Konami did what they did. So until someone gives me proof that a decision was made with laziness as its justification, I will not call Konami lazy. At least not in regards to Empress CS. DDR on the other hand....

Originally Posted by Malev

Did some numbers, and actually the biggest offender for revivals is HAPPY SKY in terms for "last mix they were in"

Which is fine because everyone complains about the timing on Happy Sky.

[Malev]

Hey, if you want to feel better about the revivals, the amount of pre-IIDX RED songs (as in you can finally play up to 5.0 Hi-Speed and with SUDDEN+) is 34.

EDIT: "Last mix they were on" revival list, for those who want it:

3rd CS~5th CS - 1 (LEADING CYBER)
6th CS - 2 (BALLAD FOR YOU, R3)
7th CS - 2 (Marmalade Reverie, Abyss)
8th CS - 7
9th CS - 5
USA - 4 (jelly kiss, THE SHINING POLARIS, Dancin' Into the Night, MUSIC TO YOUR HEAD)
10th CS - 12
RED CS - 18
HS CS - 31
DD CS - 21
GOLD CS - 16
DJT CS - 13

[DUBSTEPALLDAY]

Originally Posted by Empathy

It is between both discs.


That first kanji says "BOTH" meaning both disc.

The arrow pointing up on EED means you have to get BITL and clear it first in addition to all 4th style songs.

Oh I never looked at purotora I just heard from someone at S3.

[ColorOfSakura]

Remember guys, the whole "this unlock isn't actually on the game, it was faked" happened with Troopers as well (I believe it was Vox Up.) And of course, the song was actually on the game...it was just really difficult and weird to unlock. I mean, I'd still take the Bad Maniacs thing with a grain of salt, but I'm sure it's ther.

[Xythar]

Originally Posted by TOFU!!

Empress is just less quantity overall in terms of new songs. I don't think the quality of Empress is much less than that of Troopers. And don't assume that what's obvious to you is obviogfhoijgfgjhoigjoifghurrr

Thanks for this giant wall of text but I don't recall ever calling Konami lazy. I think they had time and budgetary limitations when making Empress and it shows, which disappoints me, but I think that's quite a different thing.

The rest of your post is pointless rhetoric. I think it was pointless reviving so many new songs onto Premium Best, hence Premium Best was disappointing for me. If someone else hates earlier styles but has a hardon for playing DJT songs on the Empress interface without switching discs then I'm sure they'd just love Premium Best and that's entirely up to them. But I'm not going to pretend that it's perfect just because Konami moves in mysterious ways and we can never fathom the true significance of their intent.

[Exouds]

Xythar, I understand that you'd think it's pointless to revive recent songs on PB, but for all the people that don't have the previous styles or maybe only one or two, it's a really great deal. They get basically another CS style with most of the good songs on the newer styles for free along with Empress.

[Xythar]

Do you think more people have Troopers or 4th style?

Do you think people who got into the game recently are more likely to own several recent styles than they are to own a bunch of older styles, and Empress?

Do you think people who have been playing the game for a long time are likely to not just own every style anyway?

Even for people who do not own every style, including more revivals from older games would actually have a greater chance of giving them songs that they did not have access to already.

I'm also not quite sure why you think Konami would be actively trying to benefit people who own less of their games.

[ColorOfSakura]

Actually, until Empress+PB I hadn't bought a CS release since Happy Sky, mostly out of money issues. I thought buying the Premium Best disc was a great deal for me to get quite a few awesome "revivals" from newer styles I didn't own. That's just me though. I know I'm the exception to the rule.

[TOFU!!]

Originally Posted by Xythar

Thanks for this giant wall of text but I don't recall ever calling Konami lazy.

Originally Posted by Xythar

And of course it's lazier to just put in a ton of repeat songs over new stuff. One takes far less effort on their part than the other.

What's this then? o.o



I have to point out that your opinion of the game is not the final word on Empress CS. There are other interpretations of the game that make perfect sense. I can understand your opinion, and I'm trying to show you that it might not be as bad as you think.

[Exouds]

Xythar, I don't think premium best was made with the people you describe in mind. I agree that PB isn't as useful or as good to someone who has played for a very long time simply because they have most stuff already. But down the line when people want to get into 2dx or buy a really good style, there's no reason not to get Empress + PB as it is definitely the most value out of all of them.

[Oni140]

Just saw a picture of the phone strap; total disappointment.
I can honestly say I really didn't really think much of the special editions this time; pins seem like a huge downer, especially since they have the pictures from 10th style. I bought the Special Edition of DJ TROOPERS just for the calendar, haha.

I don't have the game, so I cannot judge, but I personally am looking very forward to it. The CS originals are actually pretty good, in my opinion. Not as good as GOLD's, but they are still great nonetheless, and EMPRESS's song list are pretty good since I like several of them from the beatnation albums (Bahram Attack, Fly Above, etc). Premium Best is a convenience since I can play songs I like without having to switch discs cause I'm lazy like that, and I think even though the Archives mode is a bit tedious, it was a cool idea.

Am I the only one that doesn't hate HAPPY SKY's timing, too?

[Aliases]

Hahaha TOFU just owned you, also, thanks kay0ss for those videos of yours

[Xythar]

Originally Posted by TOFU!!

What's this then? o.o

Check your post before that; you're the one who brought up laziness in the first place. I'm pretty sure the only way you can argue against my statement there is to somehow prove that it costs less time and money to repeat an already made song than it does to create a new one from scratch. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Aliases

Hahaha TOFU just owned you, also, thanks kay0ss for those videos of yours

Yes I see now that I actually do not dislike the song selection for Premium Best at all, good job proving my opinion to be objectively wrong TOFU.

[I LOVE MY DAUGHTERS]

Yeah I was about to reply with the same thing tofu said but he said it before me.

[DUBSTEPALLDAY]

Originally Posted by Aliases

Hahaha TOFU just owned you, also, thanks kay0ss for those videos of yours

Hahaha your a faggot. Xythar has a valid point but you can go back to fangaying over Mendeus cause I really don't care to hear your rebuttal.