biggest wall

[Deca]

Originally Posted by TOFU!!

FIRE FIRE is weird. Try it on random, it makes it easier. Especially the end, if you get a good one. The end is what makes it a 10, I think, the rest of it is more of a 9? You may be able to Hard Clear it, too, if the end is what breaks you.

Randoming a song just to pass it isn't really going to help you improve at all. Randoming songs you already can pass for weirder charts might.

I don't really ever use random much at all. Once in a great while if I'm score attacking or really desperate to pass moon_child or something, and I always feel like a bitch for using it when I do.

I mean, what does it prove if you did something by making the chart easier. The goal here is to make yourself better.

[alextrebek]

Originally Posted by Deca

Randoming a song just to pass it isn't really going to help you improve at all. Randoming songs you already can pass for weirder charts might.

I don't really ever use random much at all. Once in a great while if I'm score attacking or really desperate to pass moon_child or something, and I always feel like a bitch for using it when I do.

I mean, what does it prove if you did something by making the chart easier. The goal here is to make yourself better.

I agree with this post, even though I perceive it being the minority opinion.

[m335h73r of PBJ]

Originally Posted by Deca

I don't really ever use random much at all. Once in a great while if I'm score attacking or really desperate to pass moon_child or something, and I always feel like a bitch for using it when I do.

Yes, Saryou is a complete fucking bitch for using Random to pass Mendes [b].

[Exagon]

Originally Posted by m335h73r

Yes, Saryou is a complete fucking bitch for using Random to pass Mendes [b].

Lollllllll owned.

[ellipse]

My wall is the "I-need-more-stamina-to-pass-this-11" wall and the 12 wall. I've been staring at both for a LONG time. . .

[AceJay]

ITT WOOSH RIGHT OVER YOUR FUCKING HEADS

Originally Posted by AceJay

The biggest wall is always the most innocent one.

[eldiablo3005]

easy 12->harder 12 wall was the hardest for me i think.

deca> random makes you better. random is necessary and thinking not using it makes you better is just preposterous. random teaches you tons of new chords and patterns the more you use it. everyone thats halfway decent at this game uses random on just about every song. oh wait im arguing about random. cool. deca, you're wrong.

[Exagon]

Originally Posted by AceJay

ITT WOOSH RIGHT OVER YOUR FUCKING HEADS

Lolo I got it and chuckled.

[alextrebek]

Originally Posted by eldiablo3005

easy 12->harder 12 wall was the hardest for me i think.

deca> random makes you better. random is necessary and thinking not using it makes you better is just preposterous. random teaches you tons of new chords and patterns the more you use it. everyone thats halfway decent at this game uses random on just about every song. oh wait im arguing about random. cool. deca, you're wrong.

Oh god it is a bar/no bar debate about IIDX.

My thoughts (I am not judging those who decide to use it here. I cannot stress this enough) are that the charts on IIDX are part of the attraction; unlike most recent DDR charts I have played, IIDX charts are usually fun and make some sense in relation to the song. Using random seems like a wonderful training tool to prepare yourself for strange patterns you may encounter, but it seems a little weird in terms of score tracking; score tracking is saying "I am this good at this song." Doing it with random seems like "I am this good at a pattern with the same rhythm as the regular chart," but doesn't really reflect how good you are at the universal pattern everybody receives.

I mean, you could use this argument against things like HS and SUD+ and the towel and those things, so it is clearly just an opinion and not a solid moral standpoint or anything, but it seems like there is some value to playing the chart as Konami intended it.

Speaking of Konami's intentions, I'm going to go prepare for 3 AM to arrive so I can play Rislim -Remix- without a care in the world.

[m335h73r of PBJ]

The only debate about random and all that shit is when the really really really good players get into the tizzy's with the not so really really really good players.

P much as soon as you get into passing 11's-12's you're using random alot and that's the end of it.

[Deca]

Originally Posted by Exagon

Lollllllll owned.

Not really. Passing a chart with random and passing it without are two different things, regardless of how retardedly difficult the chart is. Playing with random doesn't necessarily MAKE me a bitch, but I don't really feel fulfilled having had to fall back onto it to get through a chart.

Either way we're talking about how to get better at the game, and I don't see how you could really argue that making a song easier just so you can pass it is a good training practice.

[m335h73r of PBJ]

you are familiarizing yourself with a song's chart regardless of random or non.

You aren't helping yourself by using only non-random and you aren't hindering your progress by using only random.

It works both ways.

[Poochy]

From what I can tell, Random doesn't usually make too much of a difference for songs you can barely clear or can't clear at all. The main effect of switching between Random and non-Random is it messes with your familiarity of the chart, so that you won't instinctively over-anticipate the upcoming notes and start hitting them early, throwing yourself offbeat. The sole significant exception I've seen is Kakumei for players who are bad at scales.

That said, if you can repeatedly end with 60-78% on a song but have never cleared it, try setting HS to 0.5 higher. I'm not sure why, but it works wonders for me after I've become familiar with a chart; I'll suddenly blow my previous record out of the water and miss much fewer notes.

[eldiablo3005]

Originally Posted by Deca

Either way we're talking about how to get better at the game, and I don't see how you could really argue that making a song easier just so you can pass it is a good training practice.

well when you only play a song on nonrandom you get used to the same patterns over and over. usually with random they throw in the not-so-common chords all the time and you learn new patterns faster. random is really only needed when you get into 11s and 12s. I've had this arguement too many times and m335h73r put it best anyways.

[nilmind]

Deca's point is simply for the small minority who would solely use random just to make passing a particular song easier to do. I understand this since I feel like I apply to this small minority at the moment. The majority and typical view, however, are also correct that playing random a lot really helps overall in the long run.