The disparity of the 7

my58vw · 10-29-2007, 02:02 AM

Hello all,

I have finally broken through the 7 barrier - meaning that I am passing 7's with respectable scores (for me at least) - like A/B, including passing some flashing 7's and 8's on RED. It is almost as my hands are moving on instinct now, and the charts that I was just pecking at because the notes came so fast don't look so hard now.

That said, I have noticed on thing that is now very apparent - there is a HUGE range of difficulties in 7's. I played one song today (don't remember which one) and a 7 had the horrid V pattern... i.e. 1-7, 3-5, 1-7, 3-5 repeating at 160 BPM 8th note stuff, another crazy repeated 2 note patterns, etc. Mixed in to that are some 7's that are cake to me, and some with easy charts except the end.

Are there some 7's that would be easier to look at and some to avoid right now? I know that many 7's have been reclassified to 8/9 (the hope for tomorrow being one of them). Is there somewhere where I can see the current difficulty rating so I know which songs are way harder than a 7?

Case in point - case in point - can't stop falling in love (hyper) to night flight in Tokyo (hyper).

zoglog · 10-29-2007, 02:46 AM

seems to be a big disparity in 6-8's that i've seen as well. But yeah in recent releases they spread things out. There are some 8's I can beat and some 6's I find harder than 8's

I usually attribute it to personal style really.

Monster in a box · 10-29-2007, 06:09 AM

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PICASIO PICASIO · 10-29-2007, 05:20 PM

No. Just keep playing every song on every difficulty. I passed Scorpion Fire before I passed TOMORROW PERFUME simply because I played it over and over again. If you can't pass a song it can mean you haven't played it enough.

ALSO: Read Monster in a boxe's list. That's really helpful for clearing on older styles.

Razer · 10-29-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ParadoxVincent

No. Just keep playing every song on every difficulty. I passed Scorpion Fire before I passed TOMORROW PERFUME simply because I played it over and over again. If you can't pass a song it can mean you haven't played it enough.

ALSO: Read Monster in a boxe's list. That's really helpful for clearing on older styles.

I haven't beaten Scorpion Fire [a] because 50+ plays isn't enough. D:

vjgyo · 10-29-2007, 06:31 PM

Konami didn't revamp many of the 7 star and under songs to the new difficulty rating system.... but umm easier 7's would be a lot of the pre-5th style songs including Holic, Presto, Can't Stop Fallin' In Love, etc. Some of the eurobeat songs are easy passes (Speedy Cat and Romeo & Juliet but I think they are 6's)

PICASIO PICASIO · 10-30-2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by EGOISTIC LEMON TEA

I haven't beaten Scorpion Fire [a] because 50+ plays isn't enough. D:

Oh.
Well. I meant on 7key XD

GA.Mole · 10-30-2007, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by vjgyo

Konami didn't revamp many of the 7 star and under songs to the new difficulty rating system

Hmm? 7's expanded into 7's and 8's. Just about every Happy Sky and later 8 that was on an earlier machine was rated 7. Just about every if not every RED rated 8 became a 9, and RED 8+ expanded into 10-12.

EDIT: But you are right that 1-6 was left unchanged.

PolarisIIDX · 10-31-2007, 09:32 PM

If you think the disparity of sevens is bad, just wait until you get to twelves There definitely needs to be another category, despite the fact that everyone already knows which songs belong in the flashing 12 or 13 category.

Oh, and Tomorrow Perfume should really be an 11 too. The ending is BRUTAL.

Monster in a box · 10-31-2007, 10:12 PM

Tomorrow Perfume was the second 'flashing 7*' I passed.

syk-iidx · 11-01-2007, 11:19 AM

I'd take vjgyo's advice and try for the 7s on earlier styles. The later styles are what really push the rating to a new level, so try some off of, let's say 8th style and back. Also, looking at the list, try Don't Forget (another), REINCARNATION (another), and Skyscraper (another), those aren't too bad for level 7 anothers.

And, another case in point for difficulty of earlier styles vs. later styles:

Presto (another) from 3rd VS. four-leaf (another) from GOLD are both rated 8s?! Not even close in difficulty saying that four-leaf should be rated closer to a 9 in some parts.

TBsmasher · 11-01-2007, 01:17 PM

Actually, if we brought doubles into the discussion, the 1-6 rated songs went through a lot of changes, and there was no real accurate pattern. Konami just misrated stuff across the board early on. A lot of 3's became 4-5's, many 5's became 7's or harder, and Gobble still continues to piss me off to this day!

Monster in a box · 11-01-2007, 05:55 PM

I don't know of any 5*s that became 7*s aside from a couple of gimmick [L7] charts that didn't deserve it like MAX300, and Sakura. Oh, and Abyss THR, which also didn't deserve it.

Also, Presto being an 8* is some what of a mystery if you use random. Without random I guess it could pass for an entry level 8* though. Maybe.

Milk Chan · 11-01-2007, 08:36 PM

Oddly, Nemesis 7k was the first Flashing 7 I passed. It's rated 9 on newer styles, so you may want to avoid it...it does have some V-esque patterns.

PICASIO PICASIO · 11-06-2007, 02:20 PM

NEMISIS is one of those songs that I was just able to suddenly clear for one night and then I couldn't clear it for a good few months after that. It's a nice intro to 9's if you get that luck.