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Old 11-12-2009, 09:59 AM   #481
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I guess that the name of that spaceship must be...

"Ark Ouroboros"
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Old 11-12-2009, 05:21 PM   #482
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That makes sense. So does that mean then, that these scientists planted ristaccia in Aria te'Laria?
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:59 PM   #483
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Zektbach may be a fan of <2001,A Space Odyssey>.

Black Monolith ⇒ Red Ristaccia

This makes some sense as well.
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:30 PM   #484
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I think that provides some real insight into the hole story.
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:38 PM   #485
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Risstacia ruins are some kind of space ship? OAO;
well, it explain the weird symbols on the artbook and stuff...

oh btw, I have something I thought about:
Lien IS joah in a way. I have few reasons:
1. I will ignore they LOOK THE SAME =_=
2. when Lien is looking on at Joah's memo, he sees some really hard puzzle he can't solve, and don't forget Lien is transcended and the best mathematician in the world, so there is no one except HIMSELF (in the future) that can create a puzzle he can't solve. and he also tells that Joah sounds familiar.
3. I think that in that day Lien didn't really died, don't forget he hears "Joah..is that...you?" that's because L'erisia waited for HIM to come. Lien is the only one that can search for the Risstacia answers, so she wants him by her side, the risstacia side.
4. in ZETA you have a part like that: "My guided butterfly, you're so intellegent.."
well, who grows wings in Ristaccia clip and 'Guiding' L'erisia? (:
5. also:
fter knowing that,you still hold out some hope? Foolishness.

So,I decided to say "farewell" to this hollow world.

Foolisness, well, Lien IS the smartest, everybody will be stupid for him. and he did say farewell to this world, everyone is sure he's dead.
6.
We were trapped in a dead end.
It looks like the great maze won't easily accept us.
When did I realize that?
Well,I had already realized it,long long ago.

he realized it when he "died" and became L'erisia's, and when he's like that she can make sure he won't search about the Ristaccia, they're always together.


I think I had few more, but I guess that's enough for now~ what do you think? ~

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Old 11-13-2009, 03:00 PM   #486
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That is actually a very concise argument in my opinion, it doesn't sound too far fetched, because it also says that Joah and L'erisia live in the Ristaccia Ruins, which also happened to be where Lien was killed by Shamshir
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:29 PM   #487
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I really think that he's Joah, (and also because I deny he diedddddddd ;________; and I'm also SigmaXLien fangirl so.. well...don't ask XDDDDDD)

it sounds like he's really sad as Joah..


oh, and I have a question, who the hell is kukaru?
I have problem between who's gijiri and who's kukaru, and how he looks OTL

btw, someone has here MSN or somthing? I would like to talk with you zektbach fans, it's kind of rare to find, at least for me

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Old 11-16-2009, 02:31 PM   #488
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That theory is actually pretty well-thought up. .__.
It could be possible, but it's hard to tell right now sadly. Though I could believe it after all that.

Kukaru is a member of the Sazaragi group (I think that's right...) who works for Gijiri, the head of the group. He's a part of a team that go and explore ancient civilizations, bringing rare findings back to the home island. He's the one that found and saved Malchut from drowning, so that should help the most with differentiating the two.

Sorry, I don't have MSN. D:

I agree with Alpha about the song, some parts do sound French, as in mostly the parts with L'erisia's styling. Though with the parts that sound more like Turii and such, they sound Japanese. It's too hard to tell exactly though for me.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:11 AM   #489
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coolcameracat, your avatar is F awesome XDDDD
and yay, I'm really happy people agree with me, I was thinking about that alot ><;;;

so Kukaru is the one who saved Malchut and brought her to gijiri, and he gave her bath and clothes and blah blah.. and it broke the harmony..

poor..poor Kukaru...OTL
btw how does Kukaru look? which one is the one with the eyepatch? XD

and damn, open MSN or somthing OTL
Gijiri has Ristaccia right? I don't think he can live for so long.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:49 PM   #490
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Woh... There so many theories since I've not 'log in' the bemanistyle. I'm quiet busy... Anyway, about that Shamshir Lien... murder thigy..., in the story said that she's controlled by Ristaccia in her sword and then, kills Lien. Maybe, Ristaccia do that because Ristaccia didn't want to be... discovered. Hm... Am I right? If I'm wrong, tell me which one I'm wrong. ><;;

Btw, welcome Coolcameracat. Your avatar Joah is so CUTE! :3

When I watch Raison detre many times, well, yes, Gijiri has Ristaccia. (Maybe, Akiko Shikata sung the Raison Detre) '__'

All I know about the story (which I translate the title only):
1)Chapter 1-1-2: The Whirlwind
2)Chapter 1-?-4: Azuelgatt's Tragedy
3)Chapter 2-5-?: The Path of ZETA
4)Chapter 3-1-1: Empress Matin
5)Chapter 3-?-3: Battle Tetroah
6)Chapter 3-?-?: Lost Geneology
7)Chapter 4-?-8: Swan Hill Crying

I'm not sure whether it is correct or not....
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:52 PM   #491
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maybe Shamshir(the ristaccia) made it look like Lien died because the Risstaccia wanted to show the others it's dangerous to try discovering the ristaccia (and maybe to punish Sigma, the one who sent him).
and then, instead of killing him, she made him hers.

btw, am I the only one who doesn't like Hannes? from some reason I really don't like her.
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Old 11-29-2009, 01:23 PM   #492
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Oh sorry everyone.I'm late again.

Let the discussion begins one more time.

I had done the current latest chapter.Check it out please


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Chapter 3-1-3

<Ouroboros>


December.

The winter of Noigllado.

The cold air from Chantoll Ice Forest came with the north wind,made the winter much colder.

The Iced Lake Saintris looked like a big mirror shined brightly.

The citizens of Novarista were buzy preparing the coming Celios Festival.

In the palace,the Archbishop Eleonora was summoning other bishops for the yealy holy ritual of Trisagion.


Seated on her throne,Empress Matin was listening to the administrative report with her mind absent.She looked a little anxious.

"Falo...What are you doing?I heard nothing from you these days...Did something happend to you?"

It had been 3 months since Matin ordered Falo to find out her brother,but not even a single message came to her.

"...That's all.But Lord Matin,is there something wrong?"

Matin got a little surprised.She returned her face to Theo.

Theo,the Minister Of Interior and Matin's teacher,was a kind old man over 70 years old.

"Lord Matin,I understand how worried you are about Falo.But everything will just be fine,please don't worry.I'm sure that he will come back soon."

"I know.I trust him...But I'm still worried.The rebellion..."


The public peace in Noigllado was getting worse and worse at that time.

At Madura,due to the contradiction between the lower class and the judges,a riot broke out in the town.The Court and the Trisagionid Church were all occupied by rebellion.Finally,the royal knights were sent to solve the issue,and that made one of the biggest incident in the history of this country.

The execution of the previous king,the doom of Azuelgatt,the coronation of Empress Matin...

Too many incidents these years.Something began to get crazy.


"Theo,I can't understand it...why would they go against Trisagionid?"

Matin asked with her childlike eyes.

"Trisagionid brought us everything we have.It's the foundation of eternal peace.How could they refuse to accept peace?"

"Well...I don't know.Maybe because that they are 'evil'."

"Evil..."


This 14 year old lovely girl was too kind and too naive to understand the word "evil".

She put all her faith in Trisagionid.She believed that everyone loves each other and lives a peaceful life under the rule of Trisagionid.She didn't know anything about the underworld.Why would someone violate the rule?No matter how hard she tried to understand it,she could not.

Seeing the collapsing kingdom,she had just become a cat on a hot tin roof.


"Excuse me,my empress."

A man with piercing eyes entered the throne room.

"Theo,what were you doing?Look at this report.Shall we call this your political achievements?"

He pointed Theo with the report paper.The name is Mathias,an agent of Agiona.

"Guess what happened at Falune?They even dare to oppose our holy knightage!This is outrageous!"

Theo was not shocked.Though he tried his best governing,things were not getting better.He knew that something like that would happen.

"Mathias,barking like a dog will not help.Don't you think that the most important thing is to find out the cause and get rid of it?"

"The cause?What are you talking about.Don't you think it's all because of your incapability and foolishness?That's the conclusion of we Agiona headed by Lord Sariely.If you can't make it better before the coming H4 Conference,you better prepare to be accused of treason!"

He turned on his heel and swaggered off before Matin opened her mouth.


"Sariely's dog..."


All real power in the Holy Kingdom lay in the hands of the chief of Agiona.

"The H4 Conference" is the name of the highest parliament which only the four highest holy classes (Ministers,Royal Guards,Archbishops and Agiona) are permitted to attend.But now,it had been ruled by the voice of Agiona.

The special agency Agiona had an emblem of Ouroboros.

It seemed that the whole kingdom was coiled by that Ouroboros.


"How will it be in the future if things keep on going like this..."

Theo can't stand imagining what will happen in future days.


"Theo,are you all right?"

Matin showed her compassion.

"Oh,Lord Matin,I'm really sorry for letting you see me like this.But please forgive forgive his impoliteness.I don't think he's a bad guy.Maybe he was just too anxious about the situation.I believe that we all love this country and don't want to see it in trouble."

Theo could not say anything but that.This lovely girl didn't even know how to doubt other people.

Maybe that's why she was chosen by Sariely.


"Lord Rheinland...the previous king was manipulated by them too.He was forced to start a war against Azuelgatt and finally executed for that.Now,what is going to happen to Lord Matin?"

Theo felt pity for this little girl.

"Oh Santa Ristaccia...I don't want to see something like that happens again,especially to such a little girl.But what could I do?I'm really too old to fight against that Ouroboros..."


"Lord Matin,I think..."

Theo wanted to say something,but at that time,a knight made his appearance in the throne room.


"My empress,I beg your pardon for keeping you waiting."

That was the the most faithful knight.


(To be continued)
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:22 PM   #493
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Very interesting! I'm now curious about the motives of Sariely, the head of Agiona as a character. It's also nice to see Agiona's connection with Ristaccia through the Ouroboros emblem. Now I wanna know what happens in the war, though I kinda have a feeling I know how it generally ends.

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Old 12-01-2009, 02:29 PM   #494
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I'm new here. I've been following this Ristaccia story and am intrigued by the story and its concept.

I'm sorry if this has been brought up before (I read most of the discussions here, but some might have slipped my attention), but I'm kinda trying to put things together.

About the Ouroboros project, its seems to connect to Raison D'Etre and Turii Panta Rhei as well.

If we look at the tapestry/codex part of the Turii Panta Rhei Video, we would notice two figures inclosed in a snake-like symbol.

I'm guessing that THAT is the Ourobores, and that those two individuals are probably Joah and Le'Erisia.

Both the Raison D'Etre and Turii Panta Rhei video seemed to indicate that when Malchut was removed from the 'Renewal Ritual' at Turii, it caused Le'Erisia to not be dormant once more, thus creating the whole mess again? ( Eris = Strife? )

Another interesting thing about Turii Panta Rhei, that in the scene where the Star People are dancing (especially up to Malchut), behind the flames you see the members of The Sazaragi.

And before Malchut went 'berserk' in Sui/Masinowa, those dark hands seemed to indicate that they were trying to 'harvest' her for her power. Could that be how Gijiri became immortal? Not only by the 'blessing' of Le'Erisia/Ristaccia, but also by 'consuming' the power of magical objects?

Could it be that Kokooroon took her away to the mainland with Gijiri at their heels and that they are finally found out and plunged into, what the map calls, Kookooroons Abyss by Gijiri? (Since Raison D'Etre seemed to indicate that Malchut is in some sort of 'Well'/''Abyss' and that Kookooroon decided to defend her. )

I've read somewhere here that Gijiri usurped Le'Erisia (I might be mistaken), could that mean that he and Ido were the original ones that 'pacified' the 'Devils'/Le'Erisa at that 'Devil's Lair' in Wenkamui? (I could be looking at this too much)

So does this mean that after Hannes killed everything (or nearly killed everything, after cozying up with Nox and made Matin commit suicide? ) Malchut is fighting back against Le'Erisia? ( in which in the latest video seems to indicate that Le'Erisia is actually some sort of program? Or at least an artificial construct made by Joah? )

Sorry for the wall of text. The whole thing is kinda interesting.
So many interesting plot questions to be answered.
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:32 PM   #495
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Welcome to the boards The_Monsoon and sorry for the late reply.

The stuff that you point out for the videos are pretty good finds. As for your theories, all those things do seem plausible, but like you said, there are way too many mysteries and plot points that still need to be fleshed out. I do think you are onto something with the whole Nox-Hannes-Matin thing though. There have been many implications that Nox and Hannes become an item, the most convining of which is the "Emperor" and "Empress" outfits the two of them wear in the Ristaccia video. This is also backed up with the evidence in Maya's PUZZLE artbook with both the "Emperor" and "Empress" outfits being labeled as such. I could also understand Matin commiting suicide as well, especially after she loses everything after the war.

I'm hoping some of the next story updates on the Zektbach site deal with Chapters 5 and 6 to flesh out Malchut's story. I still think we need an actual book with the complete story so far, but I doubt they will make one untill the entire epic is complete. That means at least two more songs with Ch. 7 and the Epilogue not done yet...
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