Help Needed - Page 91 - Official DJ Dao IIDX Controller Thread

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by mrclean235

Is there a huge difference in quality between an FP7 and a P.E.E? If so I'd like to know what they are so I can decide which one to buy once my paychecks come in. I appreciate anyone's help on the matter.

They're both fantastic quality controllers. Just one is arcade perfect while the other isn't.

A couple friends of mine are very happy with their FP7-S's. I personally would never settle for less than an arcade size controller (Evo) mainly because I hate small turntables.

[mrclean235]

I forgot to ask as well, is there a huge difference between the Sanwa buttons and Dao buttons?


Edit* I forgot to ask, if I got omron switches but dj dao buttons, would that make it a ton different than having sanwa buttons? I'm just trying to get the best perspective because i've played on new sanwa's and they were awesome, but, are the Dj Dao buttons that much different?

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Originally Posted by mrclean235

I forgot to ask as well, is there a huge difference between the Sanwa buttons and Dao buttons?


Edit* I forgot to ask, if I got omron switches but dj dao buttons, would that make it a ton different than having sanwa buttons? I'm just trying to get the best perspective because i've played on new sanwa's and they were awesome, but, are the Dj Dao buttons that much different?

Found this about 70 pages back:

Originally Posted by jackiecorn

I found a post in a chinese forum explaining what difference between the sanwas
and the standard DJDao keys are.I'll do a translation of it,sorry for my poor english.
A key is consist of a button and a microswitch.The clickiness and the speed of the
key bouncing back up after being pressed is all depending on the quality of the
button(The higher the speed and the lower the friction,the more comfontable it is
to press,which most players want for gameplay).The microswitch controls the
signals of turning on and off the switch,and also the strength required to press
the key.When we say that a key is hard or soft,we are mainly talking about how
the microswith is working.We will talk about the differences between the
microswithes of the DJDao keys and the Sanwas below.
(Before continuing,I have to tell you that the "buttons" of the two keys have no
practical differences,so just pay attention to the microswitches.)
The DJDao keys use microswitches made by Honeywell,and the Sanwas use ones
made by Omron,they are both classified as same class products,there are no much
difference between the two in quality.Honeywell microswitches have the strength
of 25grams and the Omron ones have the strenth of 100grams,the main difference
between them is the 75grams difference.
But why wont DJDao use the 100grams ones instead of 25grams?
Because in the physics of a human finger,75grams is considered to be the most
comfortable and "standard" weight(strength).When the button and the microswith
combines,the strength of the key is around 75grams which is perfect.If the keys
are lower than 75grams,you can hardly feel that you're pressing them,but when
the keys are higher than 75grams,they become a bit "hard".
A lot of players from Hong Kong said that when a new IIDX machine comes into
the arcade,the keys feel a bit "hard",the feeling is not too good to play with.But
after a year or so,they become better to play with ,because they had been
frequently used by a lot of people for a long time.
So another question came,why do keys get "softer" after frequent uses?
Microswitches with greater strength,like the Omrons,will usually lose its strength
after a year or so with frequent uses,the strength can drop down to around 50g-
40g,combining with the strength of the button attached,the total strength is about
80-90g instead of 150 or something.Therefore the keys should feel a lot softer
and more comfortable to play with.
DJDao has the perfect strength for comfortable gameplay,probably to the fact that
the controller is for home gaming and not for 90000 people to play with,the DJDao
keys dont seem to have any obvious changes in strength even after 2-3years of
frequent gameplay.
So,what we called the Sanwas are really just standard buttons with Omron's
microswitches and are sold for high prices.
Swapping Sanwas with the DJDao keys causes no damage to the controller since
Omron's ms's and the ones used in DJDao keys are basicly the same,in both
quality and durability.So,no worries for modding in Sanwas Lam.
Sanwa keys are all attached with microswitches,Dao had asked if he could just
buy the buttons alone,but Sanwa was not willing to do so,so Dao used their own
keys for making controllers.
My words...come to think about it,Dao's keys are probably better than the hard
sanwas,Dao also said that he thinks his keys are even better than the sanwas,its
just a trend that people like to use sanwas and consider to have arcade feelings.
I think the arcade feeling is important but I rather have a more comfortable play
than the "too-hard" keys of the new IIDX machines in the arcade,also to most
of you Americans,I think most of the time you play IIDX on PS2 or on sims,you
might not even get a chance to play it in the arcade in your life,so why bother
uncomfortable gameplay?
More comfortable gameplay or closer feelings to the arcade's? You choose yourself.

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Originally Posted by DarcLion XVI

To put it simply:

FP7 - beginners, novices, and intermediates
Platinum Edition EVO - advanced, pros, and those who'd rather pick the arcade feeling no matter what they pick

DOLCE still uses a KOC, so I don't think it really matters what level players use what controller.

[mrclean235]

So...basically...the omron switches make it seem harder...so if I were to go with the standard Cherry switches it might not make much difference except it'll feel a bit softer....

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Originally Posted by mrclean235

So...basically...the omron switches make it seem harder...so if I were to go with the standard Cherry switches it might not make much difference except it'll feel a bit softer....

Yeah, I think standard Cherry switches feel like broken in Omrons.

[mrclean235]

Well after looking at all of this I'm stuck in between getting 2 PEE's or 2 FP7's :-p. I am leaning towards the PEE's due to the fact they're pretty much arcade perfect. And I guess I'll go with Dao keys because I felt brand new sanwas and after about a half an hour of play my fingers were hurting. A lot of information to take in about these controllers...

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Originally Posted by mrclean235

getting 2 PEE's

You better be good at IIDX

>:3

[infamous360]

Originally Posted by mrclean235

Well after looking at all of this I'm stuck in between getting 2 PEE's or 2 FP7's :-p. I am leaning towards the PEE's due to the fact they're pretty much arcade perfect. And I guess I'll go with Dao keys because I felt brand new sanwas and after about a half an hour of play my fingers were hurting. A lot of information to take in about these controllers...

Why not just get a doubles deck?

[Mangojoyride]

you have to think about space. the REE is an unruly size

[mrclean235]

I'm not amazing, I'm at the 8/9 wall right now, working on getting up to 10's. However, when I play in the arcade, I suck majorly because of the scratch and different buttons, and I want as close to the arcade feel as I can get. I want to learn doubles as well, and I figure what better way then on the real deal, plus its annoying to get my hands on controllers because I always get outbid at the last minute. Plus I don't want another copy of BMUS, I have one already... Also, I just got a new position at a company at the prudential, so if I'm gonna spend money, I want it to be top quality. Also, getting back to why I'm not getting the real, it really is huge, and its really expensive to ship/ much more likely to get damaged. Plus, if I ever decided to go back on my purchase, it would be a lot easier to sell a P.E.E than it would be to sell a real. A lot of people just wouldn't want it, and I know this :-p.

[infamous360]

is the fp7 worth it? or should i just wait and get the RE?

I am planning on hooking up a jps2 or a computer to my pump cab and playing it off that

[dj_krow]

It seems like any dao controller is worth it, but in your case I'd say go with the RE if you can wait long enough to save up. Judging by your sig, you seem to love arcade realism and I'm sure it would look damn sexy to have an RE hooked up to one of your machines.

In other news, I splurged and bought a PEE as a late birthday/christmas gift for myself. I'll be sure to take pics/vids (but don't expect anything impressive, I've been away from IIDX for 1 year+) when I get mine.

[infamous360]

Originally Posted by dj_krow

It seems like any dao controller is worth it, but in your case I'd say go with the RE if you can wait long enough to save up. Judging by your sig, you seem to love arcade realism and I'm sure it would look damn sexy to have an RE hooked up to one of your machines.

In other news, I splurged and bought a PEE as a late birthday/christmas gift for myself. I'll be sure to take pics/vids (but don't expect anything impressive, I've been away from IIDX for 1 year+) when I get mine.

i have enough to get a fp7 now and yes i collect arcade games and have to have everything perfect... i guess i am just going to wait a few months

[mrclean235]

Can you flip around the controller to make it playable for either side? Or does that take a lot of work, I've been looking through the forums and there are so many pages its hard to find out info.