IIDX controller help...

[mo126129]

My IIDX controller won't work properly, I have taken good care of it and I am not sure what the reason is. All I am sure of is that its not working the proper way it should have. I will try to be as specific as I can:

-Everything works perfectly except the turntable
-it registers spins downward (clock-wise) perfectly
-it registers spins upward (counter clock-wise) about 15% of the time

It's not that big of a deal unless, as I am playing, 2 or more turntable cues come with in a second where it results in me having to spin the turntable clockwise and then counter clockwise very quickly.

So basically I can not spin the turntable counter clockwise and it is EXTREMELY frusturating.

Its a US controller and I had it for about 4-6 months or so, again I have taken very good care of it.

I took it apart and didn't know what the heck to do so I put the cover back on.

So my questions are:


-Why is it acting like this

-What can I do to fix it

-Can someone teach me how to fix it manually sort of like modding where I have to get inside the controller and fix something with the wires

-Are JP and US IIDX controllers the same

-Are JP controllers worse, same or better than US

-Do JP controllers work on a US PS2.


I really don't want to buy a new one unless I have to, because JP controllers are pretty pricey and I dont want to buy a bundle of US just to get the controller (cuz I have the game already)

Another reason why I don't want to buy a new controller is because of the SLIGHT chance of IIDX GOLD coming to the US in arcades meaning a good chance of a CS coming meaning good chance of bundles. I don't want to end up spending money when I don't need to. Which makes me wonder how this whole situation of IIDX GOLD crossing the ocean is going.

Anyways ANY and ALL help/comments are greatly appreciated.

[Communism]

Post deleted by idiot user.


Edit: *punches self in the gut 30 times*

Sorry everyone! I'm going to crawl back under my rock now...

[Zmoney]

Originally Posted by Communism

-Are JP and US IIDX controllers the same

Absolutely not. First of all, there is no such thing as a US IIDX controller. The only controller for beatmania made in the US would be the five key regular beatmania controller.

Also for the sake of clarification call the Japanese IIDX controller "KOC" or "KASC" (Konami official controller and Konami arcade style controller.) Unless you are referring to a third-party controller maker, these two are the most common.

-Are JP controllers worse, same or better than US

US beatmania controllers were made for beatmania. If you want to play 7 key IIDX, KOC controllers are much better.

They are extremely easy to mod too. The US controllers are already non-stick and spiffy, but seriously, it takes like 10 minutes to mod a KOC to play IIDX well.

-Do JP controllers work on a US PS2.

Yes, controllers don't have region locks. As for the price issue, Play Asia had a 20 dollar off discount sale two or so months ago. I would expect they would do something like that again.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last paragraph. "Good chance of bundles?" "Good chance of a CS coming?" There will be a GOLD CS release sometime next year and it will be encoded with NTSC-J, for Japanese PS2s only, I am positive of it. What do US arcades and bundles have anything to do with wanting IIDX GOLD and not wanting a 7-key controller?

I've never ever posted on here. I've had an account for a LONG time. But, seriously, I can't not respond to this. What? I use my bundle controller to EXCLUSIVELY play IIDX. Seven keys, btw.

Anyway, try to find a bundle on the cheap. You can get them for $20-$30 if you look. Saves you lots of trouble and time, so that's worth it. Plus you could probably get like five bucks at Gamestop or whatever for trading in the disc!

[rmz]

Originally Posted by Communism

Absolutely not. First of all, there is no such thing as a US IIDX controller. The only controller for beatmania made in the US would be the five key regular beatmania controller.

Excuse me, but do you have any idea what you're talking about?

The US IIDX controllers are IDENTICAL to the JP controllers except with different key internals (so they don't really need to be key modded) and a rounded edge around the turntable instead of square corners.

[mo126129]

So is there hope for my turntable issue?

[mo126129]

Originally Posted by Communism

First of all, there is no such thing as a US IIDX controller. The only controller for beatmania made in the US would be the five key regular beatmania controller.

When you say "no such thing as a US IIDX controller" are you referring to a controller with 7-key/turntable made in the US or a 5-key/turntable, because I have got the US beatmania/IIDX that came bundled with a KOC (with 7-keys).

Originally Posted by Communism

I'm not sure what you mean by your last paragraph. "Good chance of bundles?" "Good chance of a CS coming?" There will be a GOLD CS release sometime next year and it will be encoded with NTSC-J, for Japanese PS2s only, I am positive of it. What do US arcades and bundles have anything to do with wanting IIDX GOLD and not wanting a 7-key controller?

I meant I didn't want to buy another US bundle pack just to get a KOC, if a GOLD CS is going to come out in US. IF IT WAS it would probably come in a bundle. I know it won't be for a while but still...

Anyways, everyone, thanks for the help.

[Akkaraju]

Originally Posted by Communism

-Are JP and US IIDX controllers the same

Absolutely not. First of all, there is no such thing as a US IIDX controller. The only controller for beatmania made in the US would be the five key regular beatmania controller.

Also for the sake of clarification call the Japanese IIDX controller "KOC" or "KASC" (Konami official controller and Konami arcade style controller.) Unless you are referring to a third-party controller maker, these two are the most common.

-Are JP controllers worse, same or better than US

US beatmania controllers were made for beatmania. If you want to play 7 key IIDX, KOC controllers are much better.

They are extremely easy to mod too. The US controllers are already non-stick and spiffy, but seriously, it takes like 10 minutes to mod a KOC to play IIDX well.

-Do JP controllers work on a US PS2.

Yes, controllers don't have region locks. As for the price issue, Play Asia had a 20 dollar off discount sale two or so months ago. I would expect they would do something like that again.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last paragraph. "Good chance of bundles?" "Good chance of a CS coming?" There will be a GOLD CS release sometime next year and it will be encoded with NTSC-J, for Japanese PS2s only, I am positive of it. What do US arcades and bundles have anything to do with wanting IIDX GOLD and not wanting a 7-key controller?

Pretty much everything except for the bit on region locks is completely wrong.

Aside from putting the wax paper mod on, I don't have much of an idea how to fix it other than cleaning the internal part of the TT.


-Are JP and US IIDX controllers the same

Sortof. They're very close to the same design, the JP controller is a bit squarer and the keys aren't rounded. Other than that, they're quite similar.

-Are JP controllers worse, same or better than US

This is subjective, the US controllers have keys with less chance of sticking, but the turntable is rather hard to spin unmodded. Unmodded, the JP is known to have keys that get stuck sometimes. It just matters how you mod it, really.

-Do JP controllers work on a US PS2.

Absolutely

[Starscream1215]

Wow, yeah that guys post just.....makes me wonder where the rock he's been living under is.

If you're having a functional issue, I'd say take a look at the circuitry. It sounds almost like the connection point from the sensor to the circuitboard is messed up. Crack her open and take a look at the guts. You could have like a weakened/disjoined solder point or just some gunk on the sensors.

If it's still functioning one way perfectly fine, it doesn't sound like a major problem. Just, if you do have to re-solder or something, be extremely careful.

[tengai]

i kinda have a similar problem with the USKOC - everything works fine except (in my case) the start and select buttons. is there a diagram somewhere of the internal components, becuz i'm no engineer and don't really know what i'm doing...

[mo126129]

Originally Posted by Starscream1215

Wow, yeah that guys post just.....makes me wonder where the rock he's been living under is.

If you're having a functional issue, I'd say take a look at the circuitry. It sounds almost like the connection point from the sensor to the circuitboard is messed up. Crack her open and take a look at the guts. You could have like a weakened/disjoined solder point or just some gunk on the sensors.

If it's still functioning one way perfectly fine, it doesn't sound like a major problem. Just, if you do have to re-solder or something, be extremely careful.

How would I go about fixing this problem, because I really don't know what to do and I don't want to mess it up.

[hidehide]

Originally Posted by rmz

Excuse me, but do you have any idea what you're talking about?

The US IIDX controllers are IDENTICAL to the JP controllers except with different key internals (so they don't really need to be key modded) and a rounded edge around the turntable instead of square corners.

I was checking the date of this post to make sure if the guy post it before the US beatmania came out.. but its just posts a few days ago..

I wonder is that guy being too outdated or what... lol

[The Chemist]

Please excuse Communism, he obviously has not a freaking clue what hes talking about:


-Why is it acting like this

Was anything spilled on it?


-What can I do to fix it

Have you tried cleaning out the turntable?

-Can someone teach me how to fix it manually sort of like modding where I have to get inside the controller and fix something with the wires

A good search on this site will show you a variety of ways to mod your controller. IM me at Eurobeat X if you need additional information.

-Are JP and US IIDX controllers the same

For the most part, yes. JP controllers have a rectangular shape and the turntable decal says Beatmania IIDX. The keys sink in a bit more and usually require modding and regular cleaning. The US on the other hand, is more round towards the turntable area, and doesnt require cleaning or modding aside from the turntable. Also, I havent confirmed this, but I found out that I cant use my US controller for simulators like I could my JP controller.

-Are JP controllers worse, same or better than US

US controllers are much better. Much much better.

-Do JP controllers work on a US PS2.

Yes they will


Edit: I didnt read this, but wow:

Originally Posted by Communism

There will be a GOLD CS release sometime next year and it will be encoded with NTSC-J, for Japanese PS2s only, I am positive of it. What do US arcades and bundles have anything to do with wanting IIDX GOLD and not wanting a 7-key controller?

Originally Posted by Communism

There will be a GOLD CS release sometime next year and it will be encoded with NTSC-J, for Japanese PS2s only, I am positive of it. What do US arcades and bundles have anything to do with wanting IIDX GOLD and not wanting a 7-key controller?

Wow. I love how not only do you have no freaking clue what youre talking about, but youre willing to add to it by lying about knowing when Gold CS is going to come out, and on top of that, you write as if you were talking to some retard who imagines US controllers.

Wow

[Starscream1215]

tengai, the inards of the K/US-OC's are very simple, it's just a single circuitboard (unless you choose to mess with the TT). Just remover the 6 screws on the back and carefully pop it out.

mo, I would suggest taking out everything slowly, carefully, and remember what went where. These controllers aren't anything really....technical. Just take a look at the board of the TT and see if there's anything on the sensors/extra solder on the board/broken contacts, stuff like that. If it's gonna be an easy fix, it'll be something you can see with an untrained eye. If you can't really see a problem, show it to someone with some kind of background in the area.

No REAL way we can help with a specific answer w/o seeing the specific board =P

[mo126129]

Alright all this help is very appreciated. Thank you.

[Dreamcube017]

Originally Posted by Communism

-Are JP and US IIDX controllers the same

Absolutely not. First of all, there is no such thing as a US IIDX controller. The only controller for beatmania made in the US would be the five key regular beatmania controller.

Also for the sake of clarification call the Japanese IIDX controller "KOC" or "KASC" (Konami official controller and Konami arcade style controller.) Unless you are referring to a third-party controller maker, these two are the most common.

-Are JP controllers worse, same or better than US

US beatmania controllers were made for beatmania. If you want to play 7 key IIDX, KOC controllers are much better.

They are extremely easy to mod too. The US controllers are already non-stick and spiffy, but seriously, it takes like 10 minutes to mod a KOC to play IIDX well.

-Do JP controllers work on a US PS2.

Yes, controllers don't have region locks. As for the price issue, Play Asia had a 20 dollar off discount sale two or so months ago. I would expect they would do something like that again.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last paragraph. "Good chance of bundles?" "Good chance of a CS coming?" There will be a GOLD CS release sometime next year and it will be encoded with NTSC-J, for Japanese PS2s only, I am positive of it. What do US arcades and bundles have anything to do with wanting IIDX GOLD and not wanting a 7-key controller?

Right....

...Siddown.


He said US AC GOLD could start a CS release because they always make CS releases of the IIDX games later if they do good enough.... and you don't HAVE to say KOC all the time.

Yeah, I'd say try cleaning it out.

It's kind of funny if you think about it. A JKOC or USKOC cost about$20-60. Well if you just made a basic controller... how much do you think it'd really cost you? (besides the buttons because they always charge a lot)
When I say "basic", I mean with out all the lights and what not.

I'd say a super basic IIDX controller is probably actually worht about maybe $10-30. Made in US or JP. What do you guys think? I don't know. I might be wrong. Just a thought.