IIDX Gold AC uses 720p?

Amp Divorax · 06-17-2007, 09:21 PM

Ok, I recently checked out the Beatmania IIDX post on Wikipedia and according to the article IIDX Gold AC "is the first in the series to support 720p resolution; previous versions only allowed for 480i/480p resolutions." Can anybody confirm if this is true or not?

Trick · 06-17-2007, 09:32 PM

Well that could be a waste, because the system graphics (interface, results screens, etc.) are only 640 pixels wide at most. Some stretching would have to be going on if it were being bumped up to hi-definition.

Empathy · 06-17-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Trick

Well that could be a waste, because the system graphics (interface, results screens, etc.) are only 640 pixels wide at most. Some stretching would have to be going on if it were being bumped up to hi-definition.

That doesn't necessarily make Konami incapable of rehashing their graphics to work with High Definition now, does it?

PooIs · 06-17-2007, 10:27 PM

I've studied the graphics from several of the arcade versions, including GOLD, and I can confirm that they are only 640x480. They stretch to fit the widescreen TV that comes with IIDX machines. Don't believe everything that you read on wikipedia. I'll post graphics as soon as I find them again.

PROOF:

This is the Nageki no Ki frame taken directly from the IIDX GOLD hard drive. Don't ask how I got this image because I'm not trying to get banned for piracy talk.

Trick · 06-17-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Empathy

That doesn't necessarily make Konami incapable of rehashing their graphics to work with High Definition now, does it?

Yes, it does. The system graphics ripped directly from a hard drive are floating around the Internet, and that's what I am referring to.

***Paul*** · 06-17-2007, 10:44 PM

But are the monitors high definition? HDMI cables in the back? I doubt it.

PooIs · 06-17-2007, 10:49 PM

I was at the test location in Naperville and I can say with 100% certainty that the monitor is not HD. It is just a widescreen CRT with a VGA input that displays a 640x480 picture stretched to fit the widescreen. Road of LoQ!!!

Empathy · 06-17-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trick

Yes, it does. The system graphics ripped directly from a hard drive are floating around the Internet, and that's what I am referring to.

Not what I was getting at. Its not impossible they could have rehashed it. Now, it is obvious that they did no such thing, but its not impossible to begin with. For all we know they could do it for IIDX15? Will they, probably not. The monitor that ships with the official arcade units is just a SD wide isn't it?

The 640 graphics look like they were designed with the stretching in mind anyways.

MAIcrosoft · 06-18-2007, 09:10 AM

they basicly wont use higher resolutions because of older movies will look crappy on it. as far i know, the official monitors use VGA, which gives the best output either. Some cheaper immitation monitors use S-Video which is crappy.

***Paul*** · 06-18-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MAIcrosoft

they basicly wont use higher resolutions because of older movies will look crappy on it.

Oh, that is true. It happens to old PS2/Xbox games that are played in HD.

Trip Machina · 06-18-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MAIcrosoft

they basicly wont use higher resolutions because of older movies will look crappy on it.

Totally true; this happened when I played IIDX 3rd-8th styles on a 1080i 30" widescreen HDTV...looked really crappy even with S-Video; when I tried component cables, the entire screen flickered at each and every frame constantly, which made things even worse. This is the main reason why I decided to get an 480i 26" widescreen SDTV (CRT)...MUCH better without ANY of the problems of the other TV, and it looks hella close to VGA with component cables!

PooIs · 06-18-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PooIs

I've studied the graphics from several of the arcade versions, including GOLD, and I can confirm that they are only 640x480. They stretch to fit the widescreen TV that comes with IIDX machines. Don't believe everything that you read on wikipedia. I'll post graphics as soon as I find them again.

PROOF:

This is the Nageki no Ki frame taken directly from the IIDX GOLD hard drive. Don't ask how I got this image because I'm not trying to get banned for piracy talk.

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Originally Posted by PooIs

I was at the test location in Naperville and I can say with 100% certainty that the monitor is not HD. It is just a widescreen CRT with a VGA input that displays a 640x480 picture stretched to fit the widescreen. Road of LoQ!!!

This is the proof that you all needed. End of discussion. Road of LoQ please!!!

Amp Divorax · 06-18-2007, 06:43 PM

The arcade used a SCART connection for the longest time (The 34" Toshiba Monitor guide that comes with the machine mentions it having that, S-Video, and Composite inputs) from what I saw for the older IIDX releases, so this news of it being VGA now is surprising to me.

Compass · 06-18-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PooIs

This is the proof that you all needed. End of discussion. Road of LoQ please!!!

Proof of what? The wiki says Gold supports 720p. And it may indeed. Maybe the game has a flag that can be set if it's hooked up to a 720p capable monitor (which all CRTs are not by the way). Maybe not all of the Gold AC machines will come with the SD CRT some of you witnessed. After all, eventually they'll probably want to bump up the resolution in IIDX -- hell, they'll be forced to if they ever want to migrate to PS3. Might as well get it working as soon as possible.

All that being said, wiki is indeed sometimes wrong, and if I had to bet, I'd say this is one of those times.

PooIs · 06-19-2007, 09:40 AM

Except you're overlooking the fact that the graphics are still 480i/p and stretch to fit the the official monitor from Konami, which is a SD widescreen CRT. Just look at the Nageki no Ki frame that I posted in my original post. That image was ripped directly from a IIDX GOLD hard drive. Why should they have to raise the resolution on the game? It's crystal clear on the official monitors that they send out. If they did bump it up to HD resolutions, they would have to deal with a propagation delay that would cause lots of lag, something that is very bad for a game that requires such strict timing. There's no reason for them to bump up the resolutions yet and frankly, I don't think that they will. It would be far too much work to get it operational, and then they'll have a fiasco worse than they had when they changed to the BemaniPC when they released 9th Style. That being said, the thread should be locked.