Just purchased a lagless HDTV just wanted to share with anyone - Page 18

gurtygurt · 06-20-2009, 10:15 AM

Even the cheap LCDs have HDMI input and 1024x768 minimum. You'd have to buy an older TV, which would have older technology thus probably wouldn't be any good. Cheaper LCDs though are cheaper in quality, too. It's not worth the Gambol because you'd surely lose.

Next best solution I guess is you could find an old widescreen CRT for cheap second-hand. I've seen them have video issues too, though. Might be a PAL/NTSC-J thing, though. My arcade replaced the (rear projection) IIDX screen with a Teac WS CRT, and the screen jumped constantly - kind of scrolled up, before quickly centering again. I assume the TV supported NTSC-J input, but it still did something. It required a signal converter IIRC.

No lag on said TV though.

DJ DIVINE!? REALLY!? · 06-26-2009, 02:34 PM

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Next best solution I guess is you could find an old widescreen CRT for cheap second-hand.

for playing CS versions of IIDX, this is the most ideal. just make sure the widescreen CRT is not HDTV. you can easily deduce this from the TV having DVI or HDMI inputs (which means it's HDTV). i happened to find one on craigslist that only had RCA, component and s-video, which was a good indication that it was widescreen SDTV, and IIDX timing was flawless. i can't wait to move and make my standing setup.

for replacing monitors for an AC IIDX machine though, it's a totally different story...

UTJ DHALSIM · 06-28-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ DIVINE!? REALLY!?

for replacing monitors for an AC IIDX machine though, it's a totally different story...

which you suprisingly found a nice crt widescreen with a vga port for ai...

...

still shocked.

AceJay · 06-28-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ DIVINE!? REALLY!?

for playing CS versions of IIDX, this is the most ideal. just make sure the widescreen CRT is not HDTV. you can easily deduce this from the TV having DVI or HDMI inputs (which means it's HDTV). i happened to find one on craigslist that only had RCA, component and s-video, which was a good indication that it was widescreen SDTV, and IIDX timing was flawless. i can't wait to move and make my standing setup.

Wait, so if I get this Song Wega 34XBR960 or XS955 and I use it for IIDX, it'll lag? What?

MdX MaxX · 07-07-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmcm

Optical audio receivers (even tiny sets of speakers with an optical input have a receiver) introduce audio lag due to the digital to analog conversion. If you use the regular audio cables on the PS2 component cable then you can bump it down to -1 or 0 timing.

Well, I tried connecting the stereo audio directly to the audio receiver, but it didn't work; I still need to set the timing to -3. I'll check to see whether or not the receiver is trying to convert anything. I am using an extra audio cable, since the one on the PS2/3 component cable isn't long enough to reach the receiver; could that be the problem?

**cmcm** · 07-07-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MdX MaxX

Well, I tried connecting the stereo audio directly to the audio receiver, but it didn't work; I still need to set the timing to -3. I'll check to see whether or not the receiver is trying to convert anything. I am using an extra audio cable, since the one on the PS2/3 component cable isn't long enough to reach the receiver; could that be the problem?

The audio receiver may have lag regardless of input. Extension cords will not cause it to lag more.

MdX MaxX · 07-07-2009, 09:54 PM

Hold on, I think my last post should be disregarded somewhat. I tried setting it to -1 and feels more right than -2 for sure. Stupid me for not checking it before. But I also believe trying to play in arcade mode rather than CS original mode is messing with my accuracy. This is probably why I wasn't able to pinpoint the exact timing value for the best accuracy. Right now I believe -1 is the best, but I will test further in 4:3 mode.

Mushushu · 07-08-2009, 12:19 AM

The receiver itself may be causing additional lag; Mine does this for sure, so it is a possibility with yours as well.

I purchased these speakers:
Newegg.com - Creative Inspire T10 10 Watts RMS 2.0 Speaker System - Speakers

And used an RCA->3.5mm adapter from Radioshack to connect it with my PS2.

Although my TV still lags by default, I only have to set it to -2 instead of -3 with my audio receiver. (-4 if I use digital)

On another note, I was reading the following thread at SRK in regards to HDTV lag:

The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ - Shoryuken

And according to the OP, your best bet is to try using the VGA port on your HDTV by means of an external device that will convert your PS2's video signals into VGA.

TOFU!! · 07-15-2009, 01:50 PM

For months I've been playing on -2, and recently after a 1.5 month break from IIDX, I realized that it was the wrong setting.
I switched to -3 and my friends that play on CRT said there wasn't enough of a difference to tell. :]
When I was figuring out the timing setting for DDR I had a CRT and HDTV next to each other and I switched back and forth until they both had the same timing. Too bad IIDX isn't as precise as DDR.

gurtygurt · 07-18-2009, 07:32 PM

I noticed that my old TV mostly has sound lag, not video lag. It still lags, but at least it's playable now, even if I can't beat my CRT scores.

Oh well, tax return lodged, I can most definitely afford this TV.

MdX MaxX · 07-20-2009, 05:25 PM

To conclude my Viera situation:

Luckily I got a connector with my gaming chair that allows me to connect Stereo audio cables to PC speakers. So I did that, and set Troopers to 0 timing adjustment. Perfect. No lag at all.

So in conclusion: The Panasonic Viera TC-P42X1 Plasma HDTV is relatively cheap and perfect for IIDX...as long as you have some lagless external speakers to connect your audio. It's also an excellent, stylish 720p display for all your other HDTV needs.

dj FU · 07-21-2009, 08:41 AM

I play on a LCD screen and on some CRT I tested there are differences and it takes time to adjust back my timing.

This question may have been already asked, but does playing on a LCD prevent from having good scores? I doubt I would have better grades on a CRT, but I really don't know how it happens. I know people who play on the arcade machine and they can get just greats a lot more constantly.

So if playing on LCD is more than a lag and you can't get AAA on 12* as "easily" as on CRT, I'd like to know it

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Mushushu · 07-21-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MdX MaxX

To conclude my Viera situation:

Luckily I got a connector with my gaming chair that allows me to connect Stereo audio cables to PC speakers. So I did that, and set Troopers to 0 timing adjustment. Perfect. No lag at all.

So in conclusion: The Panasonic Viera TC-P42X1 Plasma HDTV is relatively cheap and perfect for IIDX...as long as you have some lagless external speakers to connect your audio. It's also an excellent, stylish 720p display for all your other HDTV needs.

Glad to hear that everything worked out in the end.

I'm probably going to save up for the G10 series, but the problem is there are no stores here locally that sell the display. I don't know about buying TVs online; is it relatively safe? I guess it depends on where you buy it from too.

The thing is, I'd much rather prefer owning an HDTV that supports up to 1080 since I'll be using it for much more than just IIDX, although the X1 is ridiculously cheap... And still a whole lot better than what I'm currently using.

It's tempting.

MdX MaxX · 07-21-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mushushu

The thing is, I'd much rather prefer owning an HDTV that supports up to 1080 since I'll be using it for much more than just IIDX, although the X1 is ridiculously cheap... And still a whole lot better than what I'm currently using.
It's tempting.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention the 1080p version, the TC-P42S1. I believe it's about $300 more than the X1 on most sites. I would assume it's the same TV, just with more pixels.

Blackraven · 07-21-2009, 09:19 PM

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Oh yes, I forgot to mention the 1080p version, the TC-P42S1. I believe it's about $300 more than the X1 on most sites. I would assume it's the same TV, just with more pixels.

For the North American S-series model, the native contrast ratio is higher (by 10000). For European and Asian versions though, contrast ratio is the same as X series but the base is circular.

Nevertheless, all S-series plasma are 1080p (esp. if you like to watch Blu-ray)