Just purchased a lagless HDTV just wanted to share with anyone

[Compass]

No offense, but maybe you're just not good enough to notice? If your timing kind of sucks anyway, you probably won't recognize relatively minor lag.

[Have A Nice Cup of Teabag]

Originally Posted by Compass

No offense, but maybe you're just not good enough to notice? If your timing kind of sucks anyway, you probably won't recognize relatively minor lag.

I think Compass is right.

I used to play on an HDTV with decent scores but that was because I was used to the lag.

When moved to playing on a CRT TV my timing was COMPLETE ass for a while.

However, I then adjusted my timing to the CRT TV and my timing improved greatly being able to score high on many songs.

Maybe you're just too used to the lag.

I know many people who get sick ass scores on a laggy ass TV at "home" and then go to a Troopers machine at Arcade Infinity with shitty performance. The troopers machine at AI has little lag if not any at all.

[putumayoman]

maybe i dont know, i play doubles and im getting better scores, also ive only had the tv for about a week maybe ive gone insane ahhhhhhhhhhhh !

[putumayoman]

i also tested the lag adjustment in gh3 and it stood at 0, it didnt change.

[putumayoman]

hmmm i played iidx just now , it seems like it does lag maybe by less than half of a half of a second , like seriouosly its almost not there but if i look really really hard its there, but not enough to totally ruin your scores, also how come gh lag adjust stays at 0 , this is weird business haha, but i swear its almost not even noticeable !

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by kimcicle

Lag isn't induced due to the type of display, but by the fact that almost all televisions lack internal scalars that are processing the input and outputting it another way.

HDTVs have what's called a "native resolution" and "accepted resolutions." The TV will do everything in its power to display whatever is on screen at its native resolution, so when you give it a resolution that isn't its native resolution, it has to redraw the frame to match.

Let's say you have a nice and shiny 1080p native HDTV. Any input from a Playstation 2 will be 480i (and in some very rare cases, 480p). The TV gets this signal and then has to process the image into a 1080p image, then displays it on your screen. Since -good- scalars are expensive to install, all companies cut this corner by putting in a scalar that "just works". Most instances you won't notice it, but once you put any timing based game on the spotlight, you'll see the lag.

Well you do have a point there.

Guess the main culprit is still coming from the PS2 sending an interlaced signal to a TV that will only output a progressive signal.

Still, I do believe that plasma may have a better chance than LCD.......given the fact that it doesn't suffer much from any juddering which means that plasma will still have faster response times and will not suffer from symptoms like Sample-and-Hold.

Even in modern LCDs, most people (esp. if you're one of those AV geeks from AVS forums) would notice motion problems even while watching sports (like football or basketball).

Granted, I still believe that if worse comes to worse, plasma would still have more probable chance of suffering less of these problems when compared to LCD (except for that 'special' AQUOS TV from Sharp).

Of course, you could still go for OLED TV from Sony..........................but who the hell would even want to play on a TV that is just at a puny 11 inches.

You'll have to wait till after 2010 for bigger screen sizes.

[PURPLE STRiKER]

Originally Posted by putumayoman

i also tested the lag adjustment in gh3 and it stood at 0, it didnt change.

lolchar

[Have A Nice Cup of Teabag]

Originally Posted by putumayoman

i also tested the lag adjustment in gh3 and it stood at 0, it didnt change.

hahahahah thats funny

[LilRabbitToy]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

You'll have to wait till after 2010 for bigger screen sizes.

But in 2010 it's supposedly the end of the world (for California that is, with "massive" earthquakes)

[putumayoman]

why is everyone laughing at my GH lag post ! is it not accurate ?

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by LilRabbitToy

But in 2010 it's supposedly the end of the world (for California that is, with "massive" earthquakes)

Nah I doubt it (that some that big earthquake could *completely* bring a city down).

The last major Californian earthquake (1991 I think) was indeed massive and disastrous..........but that didn't stop the city and its people from rising back up from the catastrophe.

Anyways, we shouldn't be talking about this stuff here (though I understand the humor and sarcasm of your post).

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Anyways, there are only a few LCDs atm that are "acceptable" for playing these games (without any adjustments).

I'm still looking at something other than Sharp Aquos gaming LCD.

Atm, the best candidates that I can find so far are the ones with LED backlights.

I say that because the LED backlights have faster switch rates than those with CCFL backlights. Aside from higher contrast, better black levels (because the pixels can fully switch on and off) and better luminosity per watt, this may have a chance.

Unfortunately, due to it being a newer technology, it is still relatively expensive........and is thus ONLY available in high-end TVs atm.

Still you might wanna check it out by bringing ur PS2 and BM IIDX games with a variety of cables and connections.

The LCD TV sets with LED backlights that you'd wanna check are:
-Samsung Series 9 (A950)
-Sony BRAVIA XBR8 (will arrive in December)
-Sharp XS1 (due Q4 2008)
-Philips Aurea LCD TV

Go to your nearest appliance/electronics store to test it for yourself

[cmcm]

FYI all Panasonic Plasma displays that start with model numbers TH-P have amazing scalers which work great on any type of input.

In my experience, most if not all Panasonic CRT displays are the same way.

[ceraf]

Originally Posted by putumayoman

why is everyone laughing at my GH lag post ! is it not accurate ?

gh3 has a very large timing window.

although i didn't find your post funny...

[kimcicle]

Originally Posted by putumayoman

why is everyone laughing at my GH lag post ! is it not accurate ?

Because the timing window for GH3 is as wide as a barn, not to mention it's a yes/no type of grading, so you can't tell how accurate you are.

[putumayoman]

so whats the best way to test my tv to see if it has lag ?