Just purchased a lagless HDTV just wanted to share with anyone - Page 6

Eggman · 10-12-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PooIs

Though this may have been stated a few times before, I hear great things about the Panasonic line of plasmas. you can find the previous gen, that unfortunately only does 720p, for around $800 USD shipped on PriceGrabber. That's a hell of a deal for a lagless HDTV for music games.

No...they do 1080p. I know this because a friend of mine has the 50" Panasonic plasma you're talking about. They're all lagless. Entirely and completely. I AAA everything just the same, even getting some higher scores, Pop'n plays perfectly, Rock Band uses 0 offsets, everything.

PooIs · 10-12-2008, 06:06 PM

I know that they do 1080p now, I stated in my above post that you can find the previous generation for about $800 USD shipped online, and the previous generation only does up to 720p.
lrn2read. J/K

Eggman · 10-12-2008, 10:34 PM

My friend has the first generation version of them. It does 1080p. Maybe not the 42" (he has the 50") but at less of a size, you will not notice the difference anyway.

lrn2not be jackass

Quantium · 10-12-2008, 11:01 PM

Yea, I did look at some plasma's, but other then the higher native contrast ratio, there's not much else for reasons to pay the higher price for a plasma. Also, are they still as unreliable as they used to be? I remember a few years ago, they'd get burn-in within a year almost guaranteed.

Blackraven · 10-13-2008, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Quantium

Yea, I did look at some plasma's, but other then the higher native contrast ratio, there's not much else for reasons to pay the higher price for a plasma. Also, are they still as unreliable as they used to be? I remember a few years ago, they'd get burn-in within a year almost guaranteed.

To be fair.

They did fix a lot of things.

The most noticeable difference is the burn-in. It's not as apparent as before.

In fact, when you compare to say those plasma TVs that came out with the IIDX cabinets (before 9th style) to the newer generation of plasmas, you would indeed notice the difference.

In the case of Panasonic, you can already see much improvement (especially starting from the 10th generation panel onwards).

The most obvious benefit is the improved lumens per watt efficiency which simply means that you needs lesser energy to output a certain level of brightness (when compared to previous models).

Also another neat thing is the improved V Real 3 Pro image processor which has been improved in performance so that your SD related content (PS2 games, DVDs that are not upscaled, SD TV broadcasts, etc.) would not be degraded in quality.

Another benefit comes in the form of their motion reproduction/enhancement technology (not that Panasonic plasmas really need it anyway :P). This comes in the form a technology called 480 hz Sub Field Drive (or 100 hz Double Scan for PAL and other select territories) which as you know improves motion capability.

Then last thing to mention would be improved durability of the panel as well as an improved lifespan of the display (which is now at 100,000 hours).

Indeed, this Panasonic Viera Plasma TV is indeed better than before

P.S.
Anyways, as I've said before, if you wanna know more about Panasonic Plasma TVs and how they are one of the most suitable HDTVs for BM IIDX (and other strict-timing games) available today, then check this site out:

Panasonic VIERA Global Website:
VIERA | PDP&LCD TV | Panasonic

Oh and if you buy a Panasonic Viera, always buy it as a Plasma (cause that's their specialty and not on LCDs).

That like saying the same for Samsung plasmas when they are more adept at LCD production since they basically own 50% of the S-LCD factory in South Korea.

*The other 50% is owned by Sony Corporation as part of the joint venture there.*

PooIs · 10-13-2008, 06:42 PM

With more recent plasmas, burn in is practically non existant, as long as you aren't playing for more than a couple of hours at any given time or leave it on with a static image forever you should be fine. Also, the original monitors on IIDX were projection screen TVs, thus why they suffered from horrible burn in.

Blackraven · 10-13-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PooIs

With more recent plasmas, burn in is practically non existant, as long as you aren't playing for more than a couple of hours at any given time or leave it on with a static image forever you should be fine. Also, the original monitors on IIDX were projection screen TVs, thus why they suffered from horrible burn in.

Heh

This pretty much happened when I was playing Distorted in some place in Hongkong.

Granted, I did notice the burn-in and it was unbelievable (like it really sticked to the screen or something).

Though obviously, my biggest problem with it was the massive size of the screen.

Since it was my very first time back then to play BM IIDX outside the PS2.

Quantium · 10-14-2008, 04:20 PM

Ok kids, I can officially co-sign on the Sharp Aquos LC42D64U as having NO lag whatsoever. Based on Riku's review, I made the decision and picked one up from Sears today. Got this beast home, hooked everything up. Now, I was using component inputs (even though it's still 480i), and had the TV on the "Game" AV setting. Guess what? Dead on accuracy with the timing adjustment set at 0!
I've tested 11-14 so far, and they're all lagless. I only contribute my lower then normal scores on 11 and 12 because I'm more used to the timing windows of 13+. But they were only lower by about 30-40 points, so nothing crazy like 100+.
Jesus, the game is SOOO much sharper and clearer then my junky Vizio 26". Even when scrolling through the song list, everything stays sharp and doesn't become all muddy like the Vizio did. The first time I started up HS, I just stared at the song list for like 5min. because I've never seen the game look that good.
I also tested out some Blu-Ray discs, and this TV excels on those too. It even has a setting called "Point For Point" where the TV automatically matches the 1080p content that's being played for resolution and framerate, pixel for pixel. I don't know what the hell Sharp did with the electronics on this one, but it rocks!
Now I just have to get used to playing IIDX on a 42" screen, six feet away from my face.

Blackraven · 10-14-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Quantium

Ok kids, I can officially co-sign on the Sharp Aquos LC42D64U as having NO lag whatsoever. Based on Riku's review, I made the decision and picked one up from Sears today. Got this beast home, hooked everything up. Now, I was using component inputs (even though it's still 480i), and had the TV on the "Game" AV setting. Guess what? Dead on accuracy with the timing adjustment set at 0!
I've tested 11-14 so far, and they're all lagless. I only contribute my lower then normal scores on 11 and 12 because I'm more used to the timing windows of 13+. But they were only lower by about 30-40 points, so nothing crazy like 100+.
Jesus, the game is SOOO much sharper and clearer then my junky Vizio 26". Even when scrolling through the song list, everything stays sharp and doesn't become all muddy like the Vizio did. The first time I started up HS, I just stared at the song list for like 5min. because I've never seen the game look that good.
I also tested out some Blu-Ray discs, and this TV excels on those too. It even has a setting called "Point For Point" where the TV automatically matches the 1080p content that's being played for resolution and framerate, pixel for pixel. I don't know that the hell Sharp did with the electronics on this one, but it rocks!
Now I just have to get used to playing IIDX on a 42" screen, six feet away from my face.

Wow

That was a neat mini-review

So I guess that shows that the newer Sharp Aquos LCD TVs are up to the task

For handling BM IIDX games on the PS2 hehe

Interestingly

Sharp (in America at least) also offers what they call:

Their Gamer's LCD line.

LC-32GP3U is one of those models in the Gamer's LCD line.

AQUOS widescreen lcd television | LC-32GP3U-B detailed specs

It has what Sharp calls as "Vyper Drive Game Mode"

Plus it has five 1080p compatible connections (3 via HDMI and 2 via component)

Pretty neat stuff

P.S.
Sharp is also launching its latest Global Flagship AQUOS LCD TV.

The Sharp Aquos XS LED-BACKLIGHT LCD TV

Check the global Aquos XS site out
AQUOS XS

Launching simultaneously WORLDWIDE (see countdown timer)

Quantium · 10-14-2008, 09:36 PM

Hmmm, the one you mentioned there seems to have a higher response time compared to mine.

LC-32GP3U (6ms) vs. LC-42D64U (4ms)?

dickrazor · 10-14-2008, 09:41 PM

I haven't tried IIDX on my new TV yet, but the response time the manufacturer lists is NOT going to be what ingame lag is. My TV has a response time of 5ms, yet GH and RB both have to be set at around +60ms for there to be no visual latency.

I will try IIDX in the next couple of days, but the only cable I have that isn't the standard RCA is S-Video.

Riku · 10-14-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Quantium

Ok kids, I can officially co-sign on the Sharp Aquos LC42D64U as having NO lag whatsoever. Based on Riku's review, I made the decision and picked one up from Sears today. Got this beast home, hooked everything up. Now, I was using component inputs (even though it's still 480i), and had the TV on the "Game" AV setting. Guess what? Dead on accuracy with the timing adjustment set at 0!
I've tested 11-14 so far, and they're all lagless. I only contribute my lower then normal scores on 11 and 12 because I'm more used to the timing windows of 13+. But they were only lower by about 30-40 points, so nothing crazy like 100+.
Jesus, the game is SOOO much sharper and clearer then my junky Vizio 26". Even when scrolling through the song list, everything stays sharp and doesn't become all muddy like the Vizio did. The first time I started up HS, I just stared at the song list for like 5min. because I've never seen the game look that good.
I also tested out some Blu-Ray discs, and this TV excels on those too. It even has a setting called "Point For Point" where the TV automatically matches the 1080p content that's being played for resolution and framerate, pixel for pixel. I don't know what the hell Sharp did with the electronics on this one, but it rocks!
Now I just have to get used to playing IIDX on a 42" screen, six feet away from my face.

Try playing on -1. The in fact does have TV has some minor lags which can contribute to your lower score. When I first tested it, it seemed dead on but after playing in the arcades I can tell that there is lag (as minor as it is)

Riku · 10-14-2008, 10:06 PM

Sorry for the double post, does anyone know if the timing window for DJ Troopers and DistorteD/Gold are different?

Blackraven · 10-14-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Quantium

Hmmm, the one you mentioned there seems to have a higher response time compared to mine.

LC-32GP3U (6ms) vs. LC-42D64U (4ms)?

Interesting.

Heh so I guess you're TV set is more superior then?

Nevertheless

It would be interesting though to see the response time of the upcoming Sharp Aquos XS1 LED-BL LCD TV.

Especially with LED backlighting having a faster switch time than any CCFL BL

P.S.
Oh

And it is safe to compare response times of different HDTV sets (as long as these are from the same manufacturer).

Quantium · 10-14-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Riku

Try playing on -1. The in fact does have TV has some minor lags which can contribute to your lower score. When I first tested it, it seemed dead on but after playing in the arcades I can tell that there is lag (as minor as it is)

Well, timing differences between the CS and AC versions are kinda a given, aren't they?