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xII Zephyr IIx · 09-15-2009, 01:51 PM

ha well it appears from the different opinions I may have to pick up an older and a newer version when I get the chance.

Meseki · 09-15-2009, 02:06 PM

If you play a new style first, be sure you know that some songs (especially home version songs) will probably never be revived and so some older ones you will have to play without Sudden+ and .5 High Speed mods.
Also know that styles before Happy Sky do not have the current 12 rating scale, and styles before RED rate Anothers the same as the 7 Keys charts.

Beatmania US's DJ Levels are one tier lower than the Japanese games (instead of 88.88% for a AAA, 77.77% for AA, and 66.66% for an A, the US DJ Levels are 77.77% for a AAA, 66.66% for a AA, and 55.55% for an A).

If you have any questions about anything, check this topic. (though it may not have some newer information)

xII Zephyr IIx · 09-15-2009, 02:24 PM

Thanks for the reference meseki I have been reviewing that forum for most of the day .

Deca · 09-15-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by D.J.JSRF

Newer styles got much more features and functions such like Sudden+.Old styles can be much more difficult without them,so,play the newest one.

This is the worst rationale for starting with a newer style I've ever seen. You basically told him that the old ones aren't worth his time because they don't have convenient crutches like half speeds and sud+

You'll be a better player if you learn without them and then use them to help later on once you've established yourself.

Also, while Happy Sky does have awful timing, I feel bad suggesting that it be completely avoided. I actually enjoyed the songlist quite a bit, there are some fun charts in there.

As an aside, has it ever been determined why the timing in HS is so messed up?

Meseki · 09-15-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Deca

Also, while Happy Sky does have awful timing, I feel bad suggesting that it be completely avoided. I actually enjoyed the songlist quite a bit, there are some fun charts in there.

As an aside, has it ever been determined why the timing in HS is so messed up?

I remember hearing that the default timing was right when the note crossed the red line, which can never be accurate when there's input lag.

I don't know if that's true though.

Exagon · 09-15-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Deca

This is the worst rationale for starting with a newer style I've ever seen. You basically told him that the old ones aren't worth his time because they don't have convenient crutches like half speeds and sud+

You'll be a better player if you learn without them and then use them to help later on once you've established yourself.

I don't think 0.5 High Speeds and SUD+ are crutches. When I play 9th and 10th I use my towel, and with my science (well, my math) I make it into an accurate SUD+. I think you can make the older styles just as accessible so long as you put the effort in. As well, it's not like I rely on SUD+ so much that my scores suffer if I don't put it on. I just prefer to keep it consistent. I can score just as well without SUD+ if I can have 1 or 2 tries on a song.

As for your second point I don't think not using HS.5s or SUD+ will make you a better player at all. It's not hard to adjust to a lack of them (after having used them on a newer style), at least in my experience. If one has trouble adjusting, I think that's just a lack of practice, and I think that learning to adjust would not take a significant amount of time (I'd say no more than a month to be 100% comfortable with not using a consistent GRN).

At the same time, I understand that this issue is pretty minor. But I don't believe that your reasons for picking an older style over a newer style are any more valid than D.J.JSRF's.

Deca · 09-15-2009, 09:54 PM

The main reason I think people should play older mixes first is that a lot of people complain about the lane splashes and resolution in general after starting out on newer games.

Distracting lane splashes and combo fonts are the biggest complaints I hear from players that started post-8th style.

adammm · 09-15-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Deca

Distracting lane splashes and combo fonts are the biggest complaints I hear from players that started post-8th style.

Weird, the lane flashes/combo font in 6th-8th were the most distracting to me. I like the ones in 9th+

Deca · 09-15-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by adammm

Weird, the lane flashes/combo font in 6th-8th were the most distracting to me. I like the ones in 9th+

Well I meant complaints relating to the games pre-9th

xII Zephyr IIx · 09-16-2009, 01:26 PM

I think after all this debate I may just pick up 9th and 10th style to start off with. I feel like that may be the best way to go.

m335h73r of PBJ · 09-16-2009, 01:37 PM

9th and 10th style own, you'll enjoy them alot. But keep at BMUS until you get horribly bored of it. I didn't move onto the JP styles until I fully exhausted BMUS. (Holic, Colors and V [A] left and 50+ plays on Era Nostal Mix [A])

xII Zephyr IIx · 09-16-2009, 01:53 PM

Ok sounds good to me I will hopefully be able to pick it up this week.

Meseki · 09-16-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexual Inherendo

9th and 10th style own, you'll enjoy them alot. But keep at BMUS until you get horribly bored of it. I didn't move onto the JP styles until I fully exhausted BMUS. (Holic, Colors and V [A] left and 50+ plays on Era Nostal Mix [A])

I didn't even play BMUS before playing a Japanese style, in fact Distorted was already turned on when I checked to see if the controller had come overnight, and the first chart I played on it was quasar [b] (so I had cleared a 1 and 2 beginner chart on the controller already, and found out the horror of the pop'n skin)

The only real reason I played BMUS after getting the Anothers was for Paranoia MAX, e-motion, and to have V and Colors on the same style (before I got 10th)

nostromer · 09-16-2009, 04:17 PM

*just to note* - BMus is pretty much just a reskin of 9th style with nearly identical features as far as mods are concerned. It also has a very large chunk of dedicated songs which are strictly 5 key - thus in turn the IIDX song selection is smaller too.

I would also recommend at some point getting 7th style and most definitely pick up IIDX11 RED (unlike happy sky, the timing is actually good in that one.)

NMD · 09-16-2009, 04:56 PM

When I started I had access to BMUS, 8th, 10th, 11th & 13th. I rinsed 10th to within an inch of its life. 10th style is fucking mad tits.

Grabbed happy sky later on: for all the complaints about timing, after a few songs you adapt. It's not lke it's game breaking and I don't imagine you'd even notice unless you're experienced. Plus it has kick arse choons (First Resolution fuck yeah).