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Maxxmaster2006 · 09-23-2009, 12:52 AM

so i've been stuck at that good old 10-11 wall that everyone talks about for about a year and a half, i've managed to clear digitank system and debtty daddy [a] but it may very well be a fluke as i can't pass them again and i can't beat EVERY 10. Isn't something, besides the obvious keep trying i know just about everyone here will feed me, that can help?

tl;dr: been iidxing for 3 years and still can't effectively do 11's

oh also never got a AAA ever.

Deca · 09-23-2009, 01:00 AM

Try not to let it get you too discouraged. Taking a long break and coming back can work wonders.

I was right where you are with the 12 wall for a very long time, EXTREMELY discouraged in general. Only just recently have I felt myself start to pick up and begin improving again.

I can't really think of anything to tell you other than to try not to let it get you down. It's really bizarre how it works. This last time I really thought that I had just completely peaked, and couldn't improve anymore at all.

aeriyu · 09-23-2009, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxxmaster2006

so i've been stuck at that good old 10-11 wall that everyone talks about for about a year and a half, i've managed to clear digitank system and debtty daddy [a]

Oh wow... I still can't pass Debtty Daddy [a], good job!

A lot the easier to mid-range 11s require some familiar with new patterns... from crazier chords to fast streams to mid-speed streams on both hands. Playing some good ol' 10s on random would be the first thing most people would suggest. Kakumei[h/a] on random makes great practice for the note-heavy songs, as is AA [h]. Stay away from four pieces of chicken, though :p

kknd · 09-23-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxxmaster2006

so i've been stuck at that good old 10-11 wall that everyone talks about for about a year and a half, i've managed to clear digitank system and debtty daddy [a] but it may very well be a fluke as i can't pass them again and i can't beat EVERY 10. Isn't something, besides the obvious keep trying i know just about everyone here will feed me, that can help?

tl;dr: been iidxing for 3 years and still can't effectively do 11's

oh also never got a AAA ever.

I'm stuck at that wall for over 2 years, once you start clearing some harder level 11 songs, you'll clear them all. It took me maybe 8 months to clear every level 11 songs once I cleared stuff like Quasar.

Go for note heavy songs like AA (like aeriyu suggested) and whore them until you can clear them easily. Also use random/hard if you haven't done that already.

word · 09-23-2009, 09:36 AM

I can't really describe how I break down these walls, but it seems I just get stuck on them for a long time, then one day I just suddently click, and able to clear them.

NMD · 09-23-2009, 11:03 AM

The only way to clear these songs is to fail them over and over again.

Bert2DX · 09-23-2009, 01:32 PM

It helps to play songs that are above your skill level. For instance when I was stuck on 11's I just started playing 12's over and over. I failed them of course but when I went back to playing the 11's I did a little better on them.

Dara-G. · 09-23-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert2DX

It helps to play songs that are above your skill level. For instance when I was stuck on 11's I just started playing 12's over and over. I failed them of course but when I went back to playing the 11's I did a little better on them.

this is actually the approach im taking to breaking down the 2nd 12 wall. playing quell and mei until i get it basically.

aroomwithaview · 09-23-2009, 01:40 PM

how often are you using random

how often are you playing 12s

how much are you trying to determine which green number you are comfortable with reading and how much deviation are you willing to give so that charts seem faster at times

how much time do you usually play in a single session or in a week

there needs to be like some sort of questionairre for posters to fill out when making these threads so that we have enough information to give a helpful response

Deca · 09-23-2009, 02:09 PM

How rigid is your playstyle? At lower difficulties, having a very well defined home position and sticking to it can help you focus on reading/timing/etc, but at higher levels it can kill you.

You need to be able to adapt your playstyle for whatever is going on. I broke myself of this back in 10th style. Forced myself to use a different hand position and drilled Hope of Tomorrow for a few sessions, made some patterns so much easier. Now I'm able to switch back and forth between positions mid-song, to catch different types of patterns.

IDeathI · 09-23-2009, 11:05 PM

Did you try playing easy 11s like
Harmony and Lovely [a] or
Love is Eternity [a] or
D.C Fish [a]

A while back we used to find some easy 11s and work ourselves up.

Deca · 09-24-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by IDeathI

Did you try playing easy 11s like
Harmony and Lovely [a] or
Love is Eternity [a] or
D.C Fish [a]

A while back we used to find some easy 11s and work ourselves up.

I think there are easier 11s than Love is Eternity and DC Fish. Love is Eternity is an easy hard clear but I still mess up that last measure on occasion.

Gold Rush might be the easiest 11. Wonder Bullfighter isn't very hard.

Meseki · 09-24-2009, 05:55 AM

Captivate ~Jouka~ (The one on Happy Sky) is a very easy 11 to normal clear. spiral galaxy is also an easy 11, but it seems to be easier to hard clear than to normal clear for most people.