RED DJ Points

alextrebek · 04-29-2007, 07:27 PM

So, I imported IIDX RED about a month ago and I am really confused about DJ Points. I found the article on RemyWiki about them, but it really doesn't seem to sync up; I had 972 points, played a song's Another chart for the first time, normal cleared it with a B, and ended up with 973 points; do I not get my points for grade if I've already played the song on 7-key or something? And I've noticed that easy songs don't seem to give any points, but then again, I also seem to randomly accrue 20 points from doing nothing special sometimes.

Am I delusional, or is this whole system confusing and crazy? If it is confusing and crazy, has anybody figured out what the deal is?

DarkXepher · 04-30-2007, 01:48 AM

what ar the dj points you speak of exactly? well i don't know but i just played Sphere on another mode where do I check my points for the song? The only points I know of are the grade ranking at the end of the song, and the Score section at the bottom of the screen where I just got 163 thousand

DarkXepher · 04-30-2007, 01:49 AM

oh the score thing goes to 200 thousand at the bottom right?

rmz · 04-30-2007, 02:07 AM

Please edit your posts rather than double-posting one minute apart.

Akkaraju · 04-30-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkXepher

oh the score thing goes to 200 thousand at the bottom right?

No. It's an alternate scoring system that was put into 10th and beyond. You can keep track of how many you get by pressing select at the menu screen. Other than that, I don't actually know how/why the work any different than the AC version. I was kind of wondering the same thing, as well. It never seemed consistent with the AC values.

PooIs · 04-30-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by VJ Army's IIDXicon

DJ Points, introduced in 10th Style, assigned a point ranking from 0 to 10 points based on the level of clear the user achieved on the song. Konami's official explanation page is available at Žd—là–¾
The calculation is simple and based on two variables:
djpoints = gradepoints + clearpoints
gradepoints
AAA = 7
AA = 6
A = 5
B = 4
C = 3
D = 2
E = 1
F = 0
clearpoints
Full Combo = 3
Clear = 2
Easy Clear = 1
Failed = 0
No Play = 0
DJ Points have also been used in one CS IIDX release (10th Style). However, the algorithm used for calculating DJ Points in that game appears to be different from the one shown above. VJ Army uses the algorithm shown above for calculating DJ Points.

Basically its a way to keep track of your progress in the game. You won't get a lot of points if you have already beaten a song on a different difficulty, as it takes the best graded chart and uses that for the DJ points. In order to get all the DJ points for a particular song, you have to get a Full Combo and an AAA on the song. There is no difference between songs with how difficult the song is and how many points you get. Once you beat a song, you get the points and the only way to get more points is to do better on the song.

typobox · 04-30-2007, 10:07 AM

So you're saying that if I have an AAA FC on the L7 chart for a song, it makes no difference what I do on the Another? Seems a bit strange - not that I disbelieve you.

DarkXepher · 04-30-2007, 10:11 AM

Personally why didn't they make it so that each difficulty of the chart is added up with the grade score and the clear score? I mean the people who do good on anothers could have far more points that us that mainly play light 7. I dont see how this is fair konami.

question for anyone that has the vj army signatures: is your dj points "DJP" the same as this konami system or did it add up all of the charts songs for all difficultys? i need to make a vj army account :Azn:

typobox · 04-30-2007, 10:14 AM

VJA adds the score for all charts.

Starscream1215 · 04-30-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by typobox43

So you're saying that if I have an AAA FC on the L7 chart for a song, it makes no difference what I do on the Another? Seems a bit strange - not that I disbelieve you.

Yeah but it's the total number of points that counts. I mean, anyone that's well into Another can likely AAA the L7 (and maybe the Hyper/7k) so they're looking at a potential 30 instead of just the 10. Where you get the points doesn't so much matter, it's how many you GOT

typobox · 04-30-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Starscream1215

Yeah but it's the total number of points that counts. I mean, anyone that's well into Another can likely AAA the L7 (and maybe the Hyper/7k) so they're looking at a potential 30 instead of just the 10. Where you get the points doesn't so much matter, it's how many you GOT

I was referring to PooIs' post, specifically this sentence:

"You won't get a lot of points if you have already beaten a song on a different difficulty, as it takes the best graded chart and uses that for the DJ points."

To me, that seems to imply that only one chart counts.

alextrebek · 04-30-2007, 12:26 PM

So, to recap, it takes best grade on any difficulty for the grade dj points? I can only assume based on the fact that I know I have gotten points for clearing a song on a new difficulty to assume that you can get clear points multiple times for a song?

Also, if you can only get 7 points per song in terms of grade, and there are 89 songs on IIDX RED, that's only 623 points if you AAA everything; which would mean you'd need to get more than 4 points per song (not per difficulty, just per song) in clear points to get the customization unlock for 1000 points. Since I know I'm nowhere near that good and I have 973 points at the moment, something really doesn't seem to click. Especially since getting a hard pass on a song I'd never hard passed before on L7 usually doesn't seem to add any points.

Basically, somebody hack the game and figure out exactly how it adds them up, because I almost guarantee it doesn't follow the formula from PooIs's post. Not to mention that on that page (which I already had read, as I mentioned), it mentions that 10th seems to follow a DIFFERENT algorithm, so it is quite believable that RED follows a different one as well, which is what I was inquiring about; I suppose from the information so far, the answer seems to be, "Who knows?"

Hsanrb · 04-30-2007, 12:46 PM

What I originally thought was that each song is scored based on the * difficulty played. Like if I got a AAA on AA[7], that would be 8 points for the difficulty, and then bonuses like FC is 2 and Hard clear is a point etc. If you did 5.1.1 (I know its not on red) on l7, you'd get 2 or 3 points as opposed to the 10 or so for the another chart. I'll experiment later and see if I can find something.

PS: Happy sky has it separated by difficulty so I'd assume thats best to get the values as long as the equation Konami used didn't change much, might want to look at that first.

alextrebek · 04-30-2007, 02:34 PM

I don't get what you mean by "separated by difficulty," unless you're just talking about Anothers being rated apart from 7-key; which is actually done in RED CS also. I didn't even know Happy Sky had DJ Points as I don't own it, so that really doesn't help.

I'd rather not just play without memory card and test songs so I can see what is worth what, just in case of getting a high score and not saving it.

Dammit, Konami, stop smoking crack and then making insane scoring algorithms!

Hsanrb · 04-30-2007, 10:40 PM

what I mean by separated by difficulty is that happy sky adds up the total dj points on each difficulty, and you can notice how the total dj points if you add all the dj points from L7, 7, and A7, that you don't get the total dj points for singles mode (if need be will youtube my stats screen to show you more detail.) I know for a fact that the * difficulty for each song is used in making songs worth more dj points then others.

YouTube - HAPPY SKY - Cool stuffs

PS: My roommate hogged the tv I use to play beatmania so I couldn't test anything.