So i'm in quite the delimma here.

[TheMagnet]

Theres these 2 people i know that play IIDX ok...

Player 1 can do 10's and a few 11's

Player 2 can do 8's and a few 9's, but almost always gets AA's on 6's and lower.

Player 1 can Hard Clear 9's

Player 2 can Easy Clear most 9's, but has Hard Cleared certain 8's.

Player 1's highest grade is AAA-6 and it was on some lv3 song or something.

Player 2's highest grade is AAA+9 and it was on Hell Scaper ~Last Escape Mix~ on Normal.

Player 1 has a habit of trying too hard to get higher grades.

And an extra set of information

Player 1 started IIDX about 3 years ago
Player 2 started IIDX about 7 months ago

So my two questions here are...

1. Who's progressed better?

and

2. How can i help Player 1 actually get higher grades without the slow and painful rage trip?

Oh, and chances are the person i labelled "Player 1" is going to read this so if hes got a problem with it i'm sorry but i'm tryin to help here...

[word]

IIDX is made up of walls. Every player will hit one eventually, and become stuck on the same difficulty for a period of time. Eventually, and usually very suddenly, that wall will break, and the player can progress.

Different people overcome these walls in different ways, some faster than others.

As for P1 getting better...
Practice Practice Practice

[TheMagnet]

Originally Posted by word

As for P1 getting better...
Practice Practice Practice

Well i have been telling him that...

I did however develop a completely "faith in yourself" based method of playing.

I turned off the Judgment Display, and the one that shows up on the right side by the video.

Then i proceeded to tape construction paper over the life bar, max combo display and money score displays, then turned off the score chart cause i had it on earlier.

Now he doesnt even know how good/bad he is doing, what grade he's getting or if he's still full comboing it.

If i could turn off the explosion, i would, but i cant... -sadface-

but strange as it is, it made him do worse...

[Bromeo and Fooliet]

player 1 was more focused on clearing than scoring, you can't fault him for that.

If he goes back to the easier songs and basically grinds at it he'll understand how the rhythms and whatnot work and he'll be AAA'ing alot of songs really quickly. He just needs to not try and go too far ahead than where he's at for the time being.

I was the same way.

troll post: lol player 1 sucks at IIDX and should quit because he sucks.

[modarius]

Originally Posted by TheMagnet

Well i have been telling him that...

I did however develop a completely "faith in yourself" based method of playing.

I turned off the Judgment Display, and the one that shows up on the right side by the video.

Then i proceeded to tape construction paper over the life bar, max combo display and money score displays, then turned off the score chart cause i had it on earlier.

Now he doesnt even know how good/bad he is doing, what grade he's getting or if he's still full comboing it.

If i could turn off the explosion, i would, but i cant... -sadface-

but strange as it is, it made him do worse...

uhhh...no shit. it would be a lot easier to get better if you took the construction paper off the tv and turned all that stuff back on. hide judgments would definitely NOT help timing.

[Bromeo and Fooliet]

Originally Posted by TheMagnet

Well i have been telling him that...

I did however develop a completely "faith in yourself" based method of playing.

I turned off the Judgment Display, and the one that shows up on the right side by the video.

Then i proceeded to tape construction paper over the life bar, max combo display and money score displays, then turned off the score chart cause i had it on earlier.

Now he doesnt even know how good/bad he is doing, what grade he's getting or if he's still full comboing it.

If i could turn off the explosion, i would, but i cant... -sadface-

but strange as it is, it made him do worse...

This is one of the most retarded methods to get better at a game with such strict requirements I have ever read about.

[TheMagnet]

Originally Posted by modarius

uhhh...no shit. it would be a lot easier to get better if you took the construction paper off the tv and turned all that stuff back on. hide judgments would definitely NOT help timing.

Well he kept on telling me "if he sees himself do good then he'll try to do better"...So i told him "Fine, you wont see...at all..."

I eventually tune out everything but the notes and the color of the ghost marker right above the judgment.

[Bromeo and Fooliet]

ghost A is really really distracting for me and always makes me do worse.

Ghost C is decent because it's not on the board but I would just keep it turned off.

[TheMagnet]

Well i did tell him one time to just find your favorite songs, and DO THEM ON NORMAL...instead of Hyper...or some cases Another...or in the extreme case of Love is Orange, Black Another...
I still haven't seen him do that yet...

[Bromeo and Fooliet]

Normal/Hyper/Another are different charts. Their ratings are still what they deserve for the most part.

A 10 on Hyper is just as difficult as a 10 on Another.

[Meseki]

Originally Posted by Bromeo and Fooliet

A 10 on Hyper is just as difficult as a 10 on Another.

In fact, some Hyper charts are harder than most Anothers of the same difficulty (Ristaccia, 電人、暁に斃れる。, 卑弥呼, Sense 2007, etc.)

[Malev]

Originally Posted by Bromeo and Fooliet

player 1 was more focused on clearing than scoring, you can't fault him for that.

If he goes back to the easier songs and basically grinds at it he'll understand how the rhythms and whatnot work and he'll be AAA'ing alot of songs really quickly. He just needs to not try and go too far ahead than where he's at for the time being.

This was a big problem for me, and might still be on a small scale still. Fortunately, going back to Normals to get back into the groove after long periods on not playing helped a whole lot like you said. Same with the whole thing of watching some players I introduce IIDX to progress faster than me.

I wonder if it was because my first IIDX games were 3rd-5th Style, which didn't have grades...

[_____Cait]

Oh man the first post sounds like a really confusing math problem. =/

[Deca]

People learn different rates. I worked my way up through clears very fast but it took a long time to be able to score at all, which was extremely frustrating.

Rest assured that it will eventually click though, as long as he sticks with it. The way an individual progresses all depends on what they prioritize starting out.

[Exagon]

Also really helps if you have previous rhythm gaming experience (me). It only took me 2 months to pass my first 12 and AAA my first 10 because of a couple years of StepMania experience.