Songs/Charts in IIDX in time signatures other than 4/4

[Alpha Type 11]

Garden is in 5/4 as is the second part of ZETA
MENDES is in 4/4 6/4 5/4 and 3/4 in that order although most of it's in 4/4
Believe it or not, fascination maxx is in 3/4 too, for the piano melody part.
Oratio moves into 6/4 also

[t7r]

soldier's waltz is 3/4.
Mirage Residence has 4/4 and 3/4 parts.

[Ashura96]

Wow, thats a lot of finds, and it seems Konami favors converting all 6/8 songs to 4/4 for simplicity's sake.

[Xythar]

Not true, actual 6/8 songs like Garden are still that way in game. With the gabba songs etc. you can clearly hear 4 kicks per measure.

[Patashu]

Originally Posted by Alpha Type 11

Garden is in 5/4 as is the second part of ZETA
MENDES is in 4/4 6/4 5/4 and 3/4 in that order although most of it's in 4/4
Believe it or not, fascination maxx is in 3/4 too, for the piano melody part.
Oratio moves into 6/4 also

Actually, mendes starts in 4/4 and goes (9 beats of piano + percussion, 2 beats of double piano) twice immediately after the opening double scales end. Does that makes it 11/4 or alternating 9/4 2/4? Then the part with the lone piano and bass drum roll goes for 9 beats in length.
The slowdown is back to 4/4 again, and the climactic ending is in 3/4. The lone piano for the ending is 9 beats long once again.
Zeta starts in 4/4, has groups of 3 beats for 16 beats long during the slowdown (which means the last one is cut to 1 beat in length), 16 beats of not really having any time signature.
After it speeds back up again - it plays a section of music that is 8.5! beats long twice. That makes it 17/8. There's 8 beats of 4/4 after that, then the outro is 5/4 as you say. The solo piano at the very end is 3/4 for 12 beats.
Oratio goes 4/4, 6/4, 4/4 as you state.

Another: Perplexity is 6/8, except for a brief bit in the middle which sounds like it's ALMOST 8/8 but doesn't fit into groups of 8; it had 2 beats left over when I tried. So I'm not sure about that one.

Pop'n example; Aqua is 6/8 (or maybe 3/8), except for a brief bit near the opening where it switches to 3/4 with three notes per beat (though the BPM doesn't change for the pop'n chart)
Pop'n: Memories of the Lake is 3/8 (6/8?)
Nyoah's Sword Dance sounds insane, but believe it or not it falls perfectly into groups of 4/8/16 beats. Just keep counting and you'll notice that new parts always arrive on a rational multiple of 4; while lots of parts don't really have a time signature, the song is still arranged as though it were 4/4. Poltergeist and Ten Niwa, on the other hand, have little to no structure no matter how many beats you count out.

Pop'n example again: hora de verdad starts in 4/4 with 3 notes per beat, and shifts quickly to 6/8 for the rest of the song except for one 'bridge' of 9/8 near the beginning. Count it out: 6 beats of DA DADADA DA DA DA DA then you have three beats of the melody wandering around then it resumes counting out 6 at a time

Pop'n: This song YouTube - ??????????????EX? (sorry, I don't know the name) starts in 5/8. After that it's 4/8 then later 6/8 and 4/8 even later on. Or something like that, anyway, I don't feel like figuring it out past keysounding and youtube quality.

[Ætheros]

Originally Posted by Xythar

They're in 4/4. Having the synth follow 12ths does not change the number of beats in a measure.

Burning Heat is 4/4 too.

If using 12ths made a song 6/8 then that'd mean So Fabulous! is occasionally 6/8 for like two beats which obviously isn't true.

Well for most 6/8 songs, the chart and the song itself are different. Now I know, adding a few 1/12 notes in a song doesn't mean it has suddenly changes time signatures, but Songs like burning heat and most gabber songs are in fact in 6/8 (the music anyway). It's simply easier to write the chart for it in 4/4/ with all 1/12th notes than bother players with a confusing chart.

Originally Posted by Xythar

Not true, actual 6/8 songs like Garden are still that way in game. With the gabba songs etc. you can clearly hear 4 kicks per measure.

Listen again, it's probably 2 kicks per measure. 6/8 timing in music has a sort of pulse to it that can give the illusion of a 4/4 time signature. In most gabba songs the kick is on the 1st and 4th beats. The four kicks you are counting are two measures worth of kicks.

Here:
example of a 4/4 song with 1/12 note sections: YouTube - BT Simply Being Loved (Somnambulist)
example of a 6/8 song: YouTube - Sanxion7 - EternuS

In the second example you will hear the same type of kick patter you would find in those gabba songs you keep calling 4/4. also it has a chart in DDR written in 4/4. That doesn't change the actual time signature of the song.

[Patashu]

Nah man, eternus is clearly 4/4. There are 12ths, but they're arranged into three per beat and the percussion goes x.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx etc. If it was 6/8 then it would go more like x.x.x.x.x.x. etc on 12ths.

[Alpha Type 11]

I can't even begin to describe how odd Shroedinger's Cat is for time, I think about half of it is in 4/4 but I dunno after that, although there is a 3/4 bit

[Ætheros]

Originally Posted by Patashu

Nah man, eternus is clearly 4/4. There are 12ths, but they're arranged into three per beat and the percussion goes x.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx etc. If it was 6/8 then it would go more like x.x.x.x.x.x. etc on 12ths.

If I recall correctly, EternuS was confirmed to have been in 6/8 by the artist himself

I only use that example to show that Konami uses plenty of 6/8 songs, but writes the charts for them in 4/4 with 1/12th notes.

What you have in the x.xx.xx.xx.x sections is repetitions of two eighth notes and an eight rest. Two of those per measure (just listen to the song) and you have six eighth notes per measure. 6/8

[Patashu]

But if it was in 6/8 there'd be emphasized beats every two notes. We don't see that, we see them every three notes, which means that it loops four times per measure = 4/4. It's possible for Sanxion to be wrong about his own song's time signature.

Alpha Type 11: Ooh, good call, I forgot about schroedinger's cat. After the intro piano roll it's playing a blistering 7/8. It changes to ??? then to 4/4, and about a minute in it's at 3/4, swaps to 4/4 for a while, then swaps to ???. The ending is 2/4 then 4/4.

I'll try and figure out what the two ???s are meant to be.

EDIT: First ??? goes 123456X..X..X..X.X.X..X..X.X.x.x.x.X..X... on half beats, so I'd say this is 3/8 time.

EDIT 2: Second ??? I counted the number of chiptune melody notes in each set of three notes; 2,1,1,3,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,3,1,1,1,3,1,3,next part. So I'd guess this is time signature less. The next part starts when the cymbal crashes come in.
Next part is X..X..X.X.X..X..X.X.X.X..X..X.X.X...X...X...X.X^xx xx. 10 beats, 12 beats, 10 beats, 12 beats, 8 beats on 12ths relative to the rest of the song. Could interpret it as being a composite time signature or time signatureless.

EDIT 3: While I'm posting, I found another interesting one; Arrabbiata starts in 6/8 then changes to...10/8 9/8 alternatingly! After the second 9/8, though, it has an extra beat that bridges it over to the change of percussion. The bridge at 35 seconds in is 7 beats long, then the song is in 6/8...almost: It plays a 6 beat pattern twice, then plays a 4 beat pattern, half of the 6 beat pattern (3 beats long), 6 beats 3 times then 2 then it swaps to 4/8. At 1 minute in you get 9 beats of quiet then it goes back to the start of the song; 6/8, then swap to 10/8 / 9/8 alternatingly, plus the same extra bridging beat. Finally it has the same 7 beat bridge and then 5 beats of outro (ending exactly on the 6th beat)

EDIT 4: Pop'n example again. space by m@sumi starts in 4/4, but switches to 6/4 except that every fourth measure is one beat short (5/4). The part with the guitar is 4/4, then we go back to the 6/4 with 5/4 on every fourth measure. The ending is 10/4.

EDIT 5: Abstract is 7/8 with some 4/8, 6/8 and 8/8 during bridges. About 40 seconds in it goes 4 beats, 4 beats, 4 beats, 2 beats repeat. So I guess that's 14/8? And with 16/8 bridges.

EDIT 6: Boundary about half a minute in has a part that goes
..
x.o^..x..x..x.o^..x..x..x.o^..x..x..X.o^..X..X..@. ..@...
x.o^..x..x..x.o^..x..x..x.o^..x..x..X.o^..X..X..@. ..@...
x.o^..x..x..x.o^..x..x..x.o^..x..x..X.o^..X..X..@. ..@...
x.o^..x..x..x.o^..x..x..x.o^..x..x..X.o^..X..X..@. ..@...
where x is bass + melody, o is bass alone, ^ is melody alone, X is emphasized melody + bass, @ is melody + bass + crash
that is,
(121234123123 121234123123 121234123123 121234123123 12341234) x4
(2 16ths, 4 16ths, 3 16ths x3, 4 16ths, 4 16ths) x4

I have no idea what this time signature is. It's just cool really

[shungokusatsu]

GOBBLE repeatedly switches from 4/4 to 3/4.
Concertino in Blue has 4/4 and 3/4 as well.

[Ætheros]

Originally Posted by Patashu

But if it was in 6/8 there'd be emphasized beats every two notes. We don't see that, we see them every three notes, which means that it loops four times per measure = 4/4. It's possible for Sanxion to be wrong about his own song's time signature.

And it's more likely for you to be. The emphasis you hear on every third note is actually what makes it 6/8. 6/8 timing generally has a three-note pulse. You could count it one,two,three,one,two,three quickly if you wanted to. You're going to hear two groupings of those three notes every measure, which is 6/8. Just because it sounds like something repeats four times, does not make it 4/4. You will hear four 'pulses' every two measures anyway. Most music regardless of time signature repeats on two or four measures.

Also, I'd like to know what you mean by it only being 6/8 if the emphasis is on every second notes. That makes no sense to me at all.

[Alpha Type 11]

ok, I totally forgot, what about Pluto The First? I just can't make sense of that song through the fast bits...

[Fred 00]

Originally Posted by Ætheros

Well for most 6/8 songs, the chart and the song itself are different. Now I know, adding a few 1/12 notes in a song doesn't mean it has suddenly changes time signatures, but Songs like burning heat and most gabber songs are in fact in 6/8 (the music anyway). It's simply easier to write the chart for it in 4/4/ with all 1/12th notes than bother players with a confusing chart.



Listen again, it's probably 2 kicks per measure. 6/8 timing in music has a sort of pulse to it that can give the illusion of a 4/4 time signature. In most gabba songs the kick is on the 1st and 4th beats. The four kicks you are counting are two measures worth of kicks.

Here:
example of a 4/4 song with 1/12 note sections: YouTube - BT Simply Being Loved (Somnambulist)
example of a 6/8 song: YouTube - Sanxion7 - EternuS

In the second example you will hear the same type of kick patter you would find in those gabba songs you keep calling 4/4. also it has a chart in DDR written in 4/4. That doesn't change the actual time signature of the song.

So I'm not crazy after all for claiming most gabber is 6/8 Thankya.

[Patashu]

Well, you're counting beats to figure out a time signature, right? Eternus doesn't have six BEATS per measure, it has six NOTES per measure, and two BEATS.
If it had three beats per six notes, I'd agree it's in 6/8. How can the number of beats not matter, though?

Hmm, Pluto the First. Starts in 6/8 obviously. When it slows about 30 seconds in, it's in 4/4, and then speeds up to 4/8?
After 45 seconds it's basically 8/8 but with 'holes' cut in it whenever the part of Pluto it was sampling pauses. It's basically poorly matched to an overlying melody. :P After four groups of 8 beats it cuts itself short and goes for 6 once then continues on 8/8. The outro (1:20 on) I believe has no time signature.

In comparison, Pluto goes 4/4, 4/8?, 6/8, 4/8, no time sig, 4/4, no time sig, 4/8. The start-stop patterns I'm pretty sure have no underlying rhythms to guide them, so no time signature can be assigned.