Songs/Charts in IIDX in time signatures other than 4/4

[Patashu]

The new virkato song in IIDX sirius is in 3/4 (or is that 3/8?)
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[Exagon]

Originally Posted by Patashu

The new virkato song in IIDX sirius is in 3/4 (or is that 3/8?)
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Wow thanks for the link. I watched a shakycam of this but it doesn't do the song justice. I actually think this song looks like a lot of fun and the bpm changes aren't nearly as bad as I thought, they all make sense (unlike op. 31).

I kind of wish we could get one song from virkato every style because both scorp and this are great. Also since it's a waltz it's 3/4.

[Patashu]

1:07 into Raison d'etre, the new zektbach song on sirius, in the slow part the emphasized beats go like this:
x....x..x....x..x

This may or may not count as alternating 5/8 3/8. I'm inclined to say no because nothing else during that part in the song is structured around those beats, but I've heard it tossed around.

YouTube - [IIDX SIRIUS] Raison d'etre ~??????~

[Razma]

What the hell. Reading this thread makes me want to kill somebody. Music Theory 101 for ALL of you.

Vanessa is in 4/4.
Eternus is in 4/4.
The Deep Striker is in 4/4.
Garden is in 6/8 due to the swung 16th.

Simply because something has an irregular bass kick doesn't mean the songs time signature changes. COUNT OUT THE BEATS.

Aetheros: Dude, you're over complicating it. A triplet beat in a song thats 4/4 DOESN'T make it 6/8 because 6/8 is essentially 3/4, not 4/4. When you say you can count out the 1-2-3, 1-2-3 rhythm, you're probably hearing 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2, etc. Now, for some forms of music, the duple can be written as 2 measures of 3/4 and one measure of 2/4. This isn't the case with TDS because the song clearly follows a 4 beat melodic pattern through the ENTIRE FREAKING SONG.

[Ætheros]

As far as I was concerned I thought this discussion was over but I'll throw this in here for you.
Mathematically speaking 6/8 and 3/4 are the same, I'll give you that, but they feel and sound completely different. If you've taken a music theory course, or studied piano, you'd probably understand the difference and I don't really feel like going into it too much, but here's this.
from wikipedia:

There are two ways 6/8 can be interpreted; three groups of two eighth notes or two groups of three eighth notes. The former would be the same as 3/4 with the only difference is that the eighth note is considered the beat. In practice, however, 6/8 is used almost exclusively as the latter.

I think that pretty much explains my point, but if you need more the article is here
Now truthfully songs like TDS could be written either way, 6/8 or 4/4, but musicians and teachers I have asked about this song and similar ones are in agreement with me that it is 6/8

[Razma]

Originally Posted by Ætheros

If you've taken a music theory course, or studied piano, you'd probably understand the difference and I don't really feel like going into it too much, but here's this.

Now, you see, I have done both. I really just don't even understand how you can get that from TDS. The other musicians you've been talking to have either not been hearing the same song, or aren't paying enough attention. The ONLY way its possible to get the 6/8 rhythm is to count out 2 triplets that would substitute the half note in a measure. If it truly in 6/8 the drum rolls would sound different as they would be subdivided differently and the bass wouldn't fit anywhere unless it were beating with the quarter note IN 4/4. The BPM in the game is reflective of 4/4 time. The IIDX engine CAN handle different time signatures as proved by pentacube, toy cube, and 100% minimoog, so even IIDX is saying this is in 4/4.

Listen to more gabber to really get it. This is a common rhythmic device in gabber and lots of songs use triplet rhythm as its part of what defines the genre.

[Ashura96]

Originally Posted by Razma

What the hell. Reading this thread makes me want to kill somebody. Music Theory 101 for ALL of you.

Vanessa is in 4/4.
Eternus is in 4/4.
The Deep Striker is in 4/4.
Garden is in 6/8 due to the swung 16th.

Simply because something has an irregular bass kick doesn't mean the songs time signature changes. COUNT OUT THE BEATS.

Aetheros: Dude, you're over complicating it. A triplet beat in a song thats 4/4 DOESN'T make it 6/8 because 6/8 is essentially 3/4, not 4/4. When you say you can count out the 1-2-3, 1-2-3 rhythm, you're probably hearing 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2, etc. Now, for some forms of music, the duple can be written as 2 measures of 3/4 and one measure of 2/4. This isn't the case with TDS because the song clearly follows a 4 beat melodic pattern through the ENTIRE FREAKING SONG.

Seriously, I made this topic because I was looking for actual physical proof (i.e. the IN GAME NOTE CHARTS) that is in something other than common.

because really most charts ARE:

1(measure bar)
2
3
4
1(measure bar)
2
3
4

etc. (Even songs that SOUND like they could be 6/8 or 12/8 like Ballad for You and Burning Heat!)