Things I hate when i introduce a noob to beatmania

Stepfreak101 · 10-18-2008, 08:39 PM

What i hate is when i introduce a new person to beatmania they compare it to... Guitar Hero. Wtf like seriously the ONLY THING these games have in common is that they are simulators. so that would mean your comparing DDR and guitar hero just because they both have music. Look beatmania basis its things on all around songs. Guitar hero basis it on rock. Beatmania has a timing window which i admit its incredibly insane but incredibly awesome. Guitar hero has a pretty big timing window with no specific timing. Beatmania you actually make the sounds. Guitar hero if you don't press it at the right time or just press it wrong it makes that fucking annoying screeching noise that gets on my nerve to no end. So please do you guys agree with what I'm saying?

Shigekix · 10-18-2008, 08:49 PM

If you break down beatmania and Guitar Hero to their cores, they are the same: press buttons in time with music.

LOVLES. · 10-18-2008, 08:50 PM

~waaah~

should have posted this in GD, but umm I haven't tried to introduce anyone to beatmania, and the last time I showed a girl, she actually thought it was interesting.

Stepfreak101 · 10-18-2008, 08:51 PM

Well sadly if you look at it like that yes. But if you gotta look at it in its aspects then all simulators are basically the same in which yes they can be. but they also can be very different. I mean what seperates beatmania from DDR or DDR to guitar hero besides its outer and inner functions

t7r · 10-18-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stepfreak101

What i hate is when i introduce a new person to beatmania they compare it to... Guitar Hero. Wtf like seriously the ONLY THING these games have in common is that they are simulators. so that would mean your comparing DDR and guitar hero just because they both have music. Look beatmania basis its things on all around songs. Guitar hero basis it on rock. Beatmania has a timing window which i admit its incredibly insane but incredibly awesome. Guitar hero has a pretty big timing window with no specific timing. Beatmania you actually make the sounds. Guitar hero if you don't press it at the right time or just press it wrong it makes that fucking annoying screeching noise that gets on my nerve to no end. So please do you guys agree with what I'm saying?

This is why I never talk about IIDX to anyone else unless they familiarize it themselves.

Stepfreak101 · 10-18-2008, 08:56 PM

exactly. I try to explain timing windows and its inner complexities but its like a complicated new language for them. But for people that i know that have played beatmania (only 3 people in my city) they get what i mean.

neodude237 · 10-18-2008, 09:01 PM

I hate that it seems every music game is compared to guitar hero, especially ones where the notes go down (mainly beatmania) then people start complaining about the lack of rock music :X

zonic505 · 10-18-2008, 09:01 PM

I did beatmania IIDX Gold for a presentation speech a few weeks ago & noone compared it to GH. I DID say "Just like in GH, you have to press buttons to the music", but I said that so people would know how to play the game better & think "Oh, so I have to press those buttons & spin the turntable when they reach that red line he mentioned" because most music games are pressing buttons to the music in time.

I also try to mention that A.) It's made by the people who did DDR, Konami, B.) that beatmania's older than GH & that there's more of them, & C.) Aside from the US release, they've only been released in Japan (CS-wise)

Stepfreak101 · 10-18-2008, 09:05 PM

see that is the most of all main concept. but they treat it like they are exactly the same right off the bat which gets me mad. and what gets me even more mad is that if they see someone extremely good or how hard it is even on easy they just give up and move back to their guitar hero. Or even the fact is they just may not like the music in which my opinion I LOVE IIDX's music. I mean who couldn't like DJ swan or TaQ come on

Stepfreak101 · 10-18-2008, 09:07 PM

Ill also try to explain the cause a bit clearer since this started with my friend lead who got me into beatmania in the first place. but we also play ITG. and people say either ITG and DDR are exactly the same. but that ITG is some rip off of DDR. but has it ever occured to some of those people to see their major differences which in my opinion make ITG better. Same thing with beatmania and guitar hero

t7r · 10-18-2008, 09:09 PM

There's probably this "philosophy" that says that the world revolves around America. For music games, it seems that they revolve around Guitar Hero.

Not that I'm against America or Guitar Hero or anything. It's just that Guitar Hero is best compared to "philosophies" like this. Many say that Guitar Hero is the only music game, and all other music games are rip-offs. (I'm not saying Japan is a rip-off of America or something, but you get the picture.)

Those morons should seriously do some research. Or better yet, play IIDX.

Stepfreak101 · 10-18-2008, 09:13 PM

Thank you for that actually is something i wanna say myself. I mean i touched DDR and liked it. and when i played ITG i thought it would be a rip off but ive learned it can be so much better. and i touched guitar hero and liked it. But when i touch beatmania i don't feel any similarity between them. Its cause they are just two different music games in general. Of course I'm not normal. After a week of playing US beatmania for the first time i spent 120 dollars for IIDX red and swap magic. I would say though surprisingly it was worth it

nilmind · 10-18-2008, 09:47 PM

Simply, what you're dealing with is simply ignorance, and for the most part, it can't be helped. We all know that GH had major success in the US, and well, that's just the way things are. People will now just compare any game similar to GH to GH mainly because it's the only thing they're exposed to. It's just something you'll have to deal with. However, if anyone does say that IIDX is a GH rip off, you can try educating them, but that's it.

Plus, there are similarities and differences to every game. If someone only sees similarities between IIDX and GH, then that's just how they'll see it. I mean honestly, even though I enjoy IIDX much more than GH, I still think calling them similar is very fair. The only important difference I really see is hand positioning. Also, I remember back in the day when introducing IIDX to some people, they said it's kind of like DDR. I really don't find that to be a big deal at all.

t7r · 10-18-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nilmind

Plus, there are similarities and differences to every game. If someone only sees similarities between IIDX and GH, then that's just how they'll see it. I mean honestly, even though I enjoy IIDX much more than GH, I still think calling them similar is very fair. The only important difference I really see is hand positioning. Also, I remember back in the day when introducing IIDX to some people, they said it's kind of like DDR. I really don't find that to be a big deal at all.

Comparing a Bemani game to another Bemani game is fine for many. Comparing a Bemani game to another music game by a different company, especially when negative comments are directed at the former is different.

nilmind · 10-18-2008, 09:55 PM

Yes, I'm very aware about that. The point I'm trying to make is that such distinctions due to what company they're made from is arbitrary and doesn't hold much logical value. The people I introduced IIDX to weren't even big fans of DDR (hell, they didn't even know who made these games), but that's what people were more exposed to back in the day.