WANTED: Info on IIDX Upgrades

[Razma]

So, in my arcade I have a IIDX 8th Style machine that I've been trying to upgrade for a long time. I know that to upgrade to anything higher than it, you need the new hardware and a USB I/O board.

There are two kinds of upgrade hardware:
9th - Distorded (Bemani PC?)
Gold - Troopers (??)

I know that the last generation hardware simply used an HDD and a security dongle as opposed to the DVD combo that the twinkle used. I don't know how the current generation hardware works. I'm assuming its still HDD and security dongle.

Did the newer hardware manuals come with schematics on the USB I/O board? Would it be scannable?

I dunno, just post whatever info you can for me on IIDX upgrades. Perhaps this will be a thread refrenced later on.

[ΩOMEGAΩ]

I am not positive, but I am pretty sure GOLD-TROOPERS runs on A differnt upgraded version of bemaniPC (You may only need a I/O board, again I am not sure). I also believe the newer games still use the HDD and Security Dongle.

[PooIs]

9th-DD BEMANI PC
Same hardware all the way through.
CPU : Pentium4 2.4BG
RAM : DDR2100 256MB
VGA : NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440-8X AGP
HDD : IDE 60GB
O/S : WindowsXP Embbeded
Control : I/O Control PCB connected by USB
GOLD and DJ Troopers uses mostly the same hardware but replaced the graphics card with an ATI Radeon 9XXX series card, and bumped the HDD space to 80 GB. Some speculate the new hardware is the same as Taito TypeX hardware, but nothing is conclusive. The USB I/O, which is the same through all styles above 9th, is not available for purchase separately, so unless you can find a place that can upgrade you to the new PC hardware from where you're at, you're stuck.

[Loserbait]

Originally Posted by PooIs

GOLD and DJ Troopers uses mostly the same hardware but replaced the graphics card with an ATI Radeon 9XXX series card

Need confirmation of this! I've been wanting to play the GOLD I bought for a while now

[PooIs]

I've been told this by several people but no one supplied me with any pics. It seems as though the video card drivers on the HDD are for an ATI card, and the people who bought GOLD drives and had a NVidia card have had trouble getting it running. When I tested my friend's drive, it worked perfectly fine in my computer, but not in his. I have a Radeon 9200 with 128MB of RAM if that helps you.

[nakey]

here's a question. is it 9xxx drivers, or catalyst drivers?

i doubt that ATI would make a driver set for a certain series, given there are 6 chipsets in the 9xxx range, which would mean 6 different chipsets drivers installed on that XPe install. which wouldn't be good for stability

your biggest problem, now, is that AGP 9xxx devices have to be obtained secondhand. At least down here, ATI AGP cards are at least X1050, which could be an issue depending on (what i'm assuming) is the version of the Unified drivers

Would be nice to open one up and see, but i fear that's a long late night thing....

[disclaimer] not a bemani player. just someone "contracted" to help upgrade one...

EDIT: one of the tags on here says "impossible"... yeah...i'm almost agreeing....

[PooIs]

Um, the whole purpose of using XPe is so that you can set up exactly the components that you need. They use the exact same hardware internally on every machine, so they can set up a specific driver to work with their hardware. In fact, they probably wrote a driver/edited an existing driver to make it work specifically how they want it. XP Embedded is made so you can customize your drivers/filters/whatever to exactly the hardware you are going to use and nothing else, and since the hardware will be the same across all devices, they just have to set it up once and its done.

[Razma]

Glad somebody noticed my sense of humor. (impossible)

Did any of the newer upgrade manuals (like 9th or 10th) have wiring diagrams of the USB I/O or for that matter, any schematics?

While yes, building a Bemani-specific PC would be an interesting idea, my information is for an actual commercial machine. I'd like to be as legitimate as possible.

[PooIs]

I don't think so, but I don't have a manual anywhere near me. The part is proprietary too, so even if you made one it may not work exactly how the actual part works on the machine.