FFC Presents: Midwest Music Showdown '08! - Page 3

ΩOMEGAΩ · 01-23-2008, 10:38 PM

minigolf sounds cool. I want to see about that discount for the hotel, since my Dad agreed to pitch in for nothing for the trip.

Mills McDougle · 01-23-2008, 10:39 PM

GEARS WTF

Momo · 01-24-2008, 03:08 PM

i might go kk

Sir 0rion · 01-25-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Brazoliange

Okay, you're right. There will not be any other tournaments or details available. I will not be responding to or updating anything regarding it.

Way to completely miss the point, dude. What kind of a jip is that to someone to compete in a competition and place in it, just to be glossed over because the host couldn't be bothered to remember/find out the guy's name? Don't you think that's a little bit bogus?

Brazoliange · 01-25-2008, 01:21 AM

I said I would update things over the next few days. I got a response along the lines of "you said that before and didn't before", which would imply that I'm not going to update things over the next few days. Seeing as how I announced these as really tentative and running a successful event would require keeping people informed, it seemed like common sense, so I gave a sarcastic reply.

I gave incomplete results and (as I remember) left blanks or ??'s for the placements I didn't remember off the top of my head. Rosters were kind of a mess by the end of the event, I was going on little sleep, and I had other priorities going on. Sorry if I greatly offended you by forgetting to look through a stack of paper to get your name, but if you had really cared that much about it you should have addressed it directly to me in a way other than bringing it up in a thread meant for planning/conveying news for the next event.

Sir 0rion · 01-25-2008, 01:31 AM

Actually, if you'll go back and look, he did. On multiple forums. I personally didn't mind because I was mostly out there for a vacation, but I don't blame him for being a little bit ticked off at you.

Do you understand what he's saying? He drove out there for over 8 hours, played against some really high-quality players and got a respectable second place in the Pump It Up tournament, and then you turn around and say that all of that is meaningless because he's just not important enough for your tired mind to remember. It's unfair. It's a cheat.

I don't care if it was only for bragging rights! He DESERVES them, damn it! He EARNED his place in that tournament, and for you to NOT GO BACK ONE SINGLE TIME SINCE THEN and ask, or look up, or make ANY EFFORT WHATSOEVER to give him the credit he was due is a slap to his face.

If the duties of hosting a tournament are too much work for you, maybe you should learn a little something about the delegation of responsibility.

It's not that you forgot his name that bothers me. It's not even that you never actually took the time to correct your mistake. It's that you don't seem to understand how he could possibly DARE to take exception to that fact that knocks me for a loop. He makes one single (ENTIRELY justified) comment in passing and you get all uppity about it. THAT'S what bothers me.

Sir 0rion · 01-25-2008, 09:29 AM

There's that "d" word. What a surprise. Someone brings up a legitimate concern, and all of a sudden it's drama. Nevermind actually addressing the concern, you just call it drama, make excuses, then pretend you've actually said something noteworthy. Nice job there, chief.

Sir 0rion · 01-25-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hulk hogan

I didn't address the concern because it is none of my business. That's brazo's business because it relates to the previous MMS. This MMS I will be cutting down on any issues, which shouldn't be an issue because I think there are fewer people coming this time around due to conflicting spring breaks/being unable to get work off.

That's fair. I can definitely respect and accept this answer. I mostly just wanted to see that concerns from the previous tournament weren't dismissed off-hand. Thanks for clarifying your stance on the issue.

Mills McDougle · 01-25-2008, 12:47 PM

Jesus H, you guys....

So, anyway, put me down for a Pump CZ tourney, and the tentative Pump NM and Gears tournies, plzkthx.

Brazoliange · 01-25-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Awesometastic

Excuse me, but what rule is being violated? All of this is quite relevant because it reflects something about how we can expect this years tournament to go, and Orion doesn't seem to have delivered any real personal attacks.

"If the duties of hosting a tournament are too much work for you, maybe you should learn a little something about the delegation of responsibility." I don't know, somehow that seems to be personal to me.

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First of all, you wrote down the winners. I also don't buy for a second that you were too tired for half a year to find the papers and update your posts. Second of all I'm not particularly questioning your ability to run a tournament, I'm questioning your ability to keep your word. You said you would do something and you didn't, it's that simple. Hopefully you won't make a habit of it, but how am I supposed to be sure? I don't know you personally, so I don't know what your actual proportion of lies to truths is. That makes it all the more important that you present yourself in a way that doesn't damn you the one time out of the year we have exchanges. Or if not, that you at least extend some sort of good faith gesture to make up for breaking your word instead of focusing all your energy on trying to brush your shortcomings under the carpet.

I was too tired that night and didn't feel like going through the papers and pulling each name for each tournament. After that, I both forgot and didn't really care. Tough luck. If you had IM'd me or PM'd me or e-mailed me asking for me to post the rest of the results, I most likely would have, but after MMS I posted thanks and my thoughts and after spending upwards of 40 hours at the arcade working on the event over 4 days I kind of wanted to take a short break from thinking about it and it wasn't the first priority that came to mind. No one else bothered to post up the results either, which would indicate to me that no on else cared very much.

Again, "If the duties of hosting a tournament are too much work for you, maybe you should learn a little something about the delegation of responsibility." seems to imply to me that you guys are, in fact, challenging my ability to host a tournament. I said I would do something and forgot. I said I forgot previously and apologized but apparently that wasn't good enough. You took 2nd in a ~10-person Pump tournament, I'm super sorry that I didn't make sure every person on Bemanistyle knew about it. Somehow at the time I didn't think it was that big of a deal, especially not as a big of a deal as you're making it out to be. Regardless, I'm done with this. If you want to continue to complain about not being touted as a placer in last year's Pump tournament, do so in last year's thread, not in the Spring MMS thread.

As far as this year, I made no promise then to post results and I won't this year. I will try to at least get results posted out to the 3 main sites this is advertised on (AIJ, Bemanistyle, and VJA) and should be able to get results posted semi-permanently on FFC's tournament page.

recessionrazor · 01-25-2008, 04:18 PM

Hey.

Guys.

therealbong is coming so therefore the thread is over

kthnx

Brazoliange · 01-25-2008, 05:04 PM

"...the crap you are capable of pulling..." being that I said I would try to get results up at a later date and forgot. I didn't have any sort of contract you signed upon entering which stated that I'd put up full results, and I don't recall promising that I would beforehand either. Typing something online has nothing to do with keeping brackets and watching over a tournament.

Like I said, if you weren't satisfied with results last year, then don't come. If you were, then do. I gave my stance regarding it this year already.

As far as was inquired earlier: the Pump tournament will be run by money score. A majority of Pump tournaments are run this way, numerous top Pump organizers I've talked to have agreed with this, and in fact the World Pump tournament is run this way. Even if the scoring system is odd/combo-oriented, it is the most official and accepted way.

Brazoliange · 01-25-2008, 05:52 PM

I forgot and said that I was sorry because I hadn't realized it was that important, and you're taking that to a level where I ruined the entire event because I didn't announce boldly that you won. If that's the way you want to come off here, I don't really care.

I haven't made it a requirement because I don't think most Pump players (both here and attending) primarily play no-bar and would enjoy a bar tournament more. You apparently don't understand that Pump is played primarily for combo, as opposed to DDR where PA is an important factor. That is apparent in the scoring, where combo breaks give a far larger point penalty than getting greats or goods. I'm not going to change Pump rules to focus on PA just as I wouldn't change DDR rules to rely on combo. I'd also argue that when Bemera NM is a final song in an official Pump tournament and the winner is the person who can get the lowest number of misses, that person is the most qualified to both win that tournament and go on. Finally, making little glib remarks isn't going to make me change my mind and will probably give people a negative impression.

eldiablo3005 · 01-25-2008, 11:59 PM

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You were gone for well over an hour. Excuse me for preferring my memory over yours.

Not to get into your guys business, but I can vouch for Andrew that we were gone for an hour and a half AT MOST. (I actually needed to know what the time was because I broke Andrews window [LOL] and needed to wait for my mom to get home so I could get some money because I didn't have money at the time)

But anyways, I know Andrew and I aren't on good terms anymore, but I can make it to the tournament and if possible, I can help run the ITG tournament. I can write down what everyone got in their rounds (% wise/ex if a fec) or something like that because if we use the same software we used last year, I know you can input that type of data.

EDIT: I agree with Mills. I think now that since we now have the experience of running a tournament, it will be much better this year, plus it's not going to be so fucking cramped like it was last year. Now they moved everything so it's REALLY wide open.

Brazoliange · 01-26-2008, 02:09 AM

And we should be using the same software as last year, since Justin volunteered his laptop and will most likely be running the DDR/ITG tournaments (the ones we'd really need it the most for) and possibly others.

There is a reason that score has been used and still is used as the 'standard' way to run a Pump tournament. I'm not going to change it because it would, frankly, be stupid to do so. If a majority of players are more interested in a no-bar tournament, then that's possible, but it will be run by score (again, the standard Pump format, the one most experienced by players, and the 'official' format for scoring). By "you already changed them once", I assume you mean last year immediately before the tournament, which was a case of a staff member changing them without making me aware of changes other than a round-robin format. Other changes weren't brought to my attention until 2/3 of the way through the tournament. If you mean earlier than that: yeah, I created an initial set of rules and did research and revised them to both a standard and improved set.

Little glib remarks such as 'I hope you like your 5 person pump tournament' mean that your opinion is less valued. That's not an argument, it's a threat/insult. Making threats isn't going to change my mind. Present a civil argument or request and I'll likely take a look.

This year will go more smoothly due to the amount of time we have to spread things out more, less popular tournaments being removed, and a general emphasis on more time to chill/have fun/hang out as opposed to straight tournaments. We'll likely have 1-2 FFC employees helping run/supervise events and better staff (this isn't directed at anyone here).