Nebraska Thread

[DualEdge]

Just a quick note. For those that don't know, FFC has being doing monthly tournaments usually involving consoles for sometime now and next month, we are setting up one for IIDX GOLD CS. Details are fairly sketchy right now, but it's looking like it will be August 23rd (subject to change). Setup wise, we'll be using a 42" widescreen TV (provided by my other tournament official) and 2 ASCs. For the rules, I know that there is almost a standard set of rules as to how to do this, but we do want to also want to keep these somewhat in line with the way we are currently running our other ones. So needless to say, nothing has been set in stone, BUT right now I'm putting together something that closely resembles Battle mode from GF/DM V3 and higher, and tweaking it so that it works for Beatmania. Once we have that finalized we'll you know more. Other tournaments next month include SFIII: Third Strike (AC), Soul Calibur IV (Xbox 360), and the usual Smash Bros. Brawl Singles and Teams.

[Jinx]

Dang, no tourneys I like. Tell me if you guys add a Duke Nukem Forever tourney so I can be there.

You should see if that jankity GF can get fixed soon. Seeing it just sitting there dead everytime just serves to fuel my anger.

[Brazoliange]

I'll probably come over for the GOLD CS tournament. I'm also looking at getting a Troopers kit relatively soon; I'll let you know if/when I do (or more likely you'll just see it up).

[DualEdge]

Depending on how well this tournament does turn out wise, we may be interested in doing something with the other Bemani games on a regular basis. But we are using this as a test to gauge interest, so one more tidbit of info is that we are expecting to have a $7 entry fee with $2 of that going to FFC for administrative functions and the remaining $5 going to the tournament pot. This is in an effort to maximize the number of people who might show up to this. While that might not result in a large pot, again, the idea is to gauge interest and tweak along the way. Our Smash Bros. tournies started at $5 and are now $10 after we learned that out of towners come on a regular basis and it is more worth the trip for them and even locals for a larger pot. If such a demand would be there for IIDX or any other game, we are fine making that change in the future as well. I should be able to get the rules for this tournament posted tonight, but since I'm going out of town for a week as of tomorrow, I may not be able to answer any questions about the tournament until I return. I'm actually very curious to see what kind of response this gets being as it [GOLD] is newer than what is in our arcade cabinet. Although another option we would have is POSSIBLY being able to hook up David's (the other tournament official's) TV to the arcade cabinet and doing a DistorteD, or if Andrew succeeds with Troopers, tournament. It obviously wouldn't be a permanent solution, but a nice touch nonetheless.

Beatmania IIDX 14 GOLD CS Rules:

Equipment used:
42" LCD Widescreen TV (Game mode will be ON to reduce any possible lag to a minimum. If you are concerned about this, please arrive early to familiarize yourself with the timing.) No other adjustments will be made to reduce or change lag (such as using the in-game tool for doing so).
2 Official Konami Arcade-Style controllers
Japanese Playstation 2

Entry fee: $7 ($2 will go toward administrative functions and the remaining will go into the tournament pot).

Tournament format will be 7-key Head-to-Head Battle
-Each player will select 1 song to compete with. As for which song is played first, it will be players' choice unless an agreed upon decision cannot be made in which case a coin toss will determine it.
-During play, players will receive 2 points for "Just Greats" (flashing Greats) and 1 Point for a regular "Great" with no points awarded to Good and lower timing grades.
-Winner will be decided based upon the highest score based on the above scoring method. Failing a song according to game standards will NOT affect scoring for the tournament.
-In the unlikely event of a tie, a song will be chosen by a tournament official to break the tie.
-Gameplay will take place in the "Free Mode". Please make any changes to on-screen and off-screen turntable placement prior to the start of your match. Changes will not be allowed during gameplay.
-Standard play for the tournament will be played with the Hyper or Another difficulty except for the first round when only Hyper mode will be allowed. For the first round of play in both the winners' bracket and the losers' bracket, players will not be able to select a song with a difficulty than 8. As mentioned earlier, "Another" difficulty will not be selectable in the first round (unless BOTH players agree to play on this difficulty). After the first round in each bracket, all song restrictions will be lifted. From the third round of play on, only the Another difficulty will be selectable (unless it is not available for the player's choice of song, in which case the Hyper difficulty will be used instead).
-No modifiers such as Random or Auto-Scratch will be allowed with the exception of "Hi-speed". "Towel mode" IS allowed.

So there you have it. These have not been posted on FFC's tournament website yet in case there are any questions or concerns that need to be addressed beforehand.

[Bloodkraze]

I won't be doing any of the Bemani tournaments because I'm no where near good enough to actually consider spending money to compete just to get my ass handed to me.

But I will quite possibly compete in the SCIV tournament... we'll see once I get it next week.

EDIT: Agreed with Budd... I'd like to see a Duke Nukem Forever tournament!

[modarius]

oh shit, iidx tourney

im there.



uhhhhhhhhhhh..............no random? wtf

[Brazoliange]

Originally Posted by modarius

oh shit, iidx tourney

im there.



uhhhhhhhhhhh..............no random? wtf

I didn't notice that but it's a very good point. Why no random? I'll probably compete anyways, but it's a pretty odd choice.

[modarius]

by compete you mean play me? to be honest how is a iidx tourney going to work? i mean its basically me vs brazo. i don't know anyone else that plays around here :\

[Jinx]

Mod has a point. I can see the whole tourney basically starting in the semi-finals. :S

And I like the idea of no random. That leaves no room for doubters and such who might secretly whine that they got an easy/too hard chart from it. It becomes a perfectly fair match without random. :P /twocents

[modarius]

it doesn't matter if it's random or not. i'm winning :P
and it's also hard for you to have an opinion about random being on or not because you don't play iidx. you really have no idea how vital random is. there are no tournaments ever (that were worth anything) that banned random. just sayin'

[Jinx]

Um, I /do/ play IIDX. Doubles.

And even if I didn't play IIDX, I know how it works. We're not talking about string theory here, we're talking about the patterns for little gray and blue blocks that fly down a screen, not really that hard to have an opinion on, Mod. It's hard to hear you take an elitist position over something like that when what I said is obviously true: when you mix random patterns against the official chart, it's not going to be a fair match when all is said and done.

Random /might/ be vital as a learning tool to practice uncommon patterns. Random /might/ be vital to spice up songs you like to hear but hate the charts on. Random is NOT vital for tournament play where standardization is the how one player is judged against another.

[modarius]

you're an idiot. you casually play iidx every once in awhile. you don't get all the good players random just about every song. don't argue with me about iidx because im way more knowledgeable than you are. and don't say anything about being elitist, mr. bar is cheating. also the thing is it'll basically be me vs. susman and since he plays right side our charts AREN'T going to be the same. and if you don't get what i mean by that just don't post again.

ps this is alex. who do you think is going to come to the tourny and actually be able to consistantly play 12s other than shoop in omaha/someone who would actually come to ffc ?

[Jinx]

you're an idiot.

1. Berate others
2. Assert dominance
3. ??????
4. PROFIT!!!

you casually play iidx every once in awhile.

Oh crap, you're right. I forgot that because I'm not l33t hardcoar to teh max so I don't have an opinion! Daaaaaaannnggg....

you don't get all the good players random just about every song.

I feel like you were attempting to make a point with this in the context of tournaments, but I just don't see it. Just because "good players" play with Random doesn't change the fact that it alters the official chart.

don't argue with me about iidx because im way more knowledgeable than you are. and don't say anything about being elitist, mr. bar is cheating.

Wow. Just wow.

also the thing is it'll basically be me vs. susman and since he plays right side our charts AREN'T going to be the same. and if you don't get what i mean by that just don't post again.

If by "aren't the same" you mean the scratch is on the other side, then okay, I'll concede that-OHWAIT! The rules down there say it's a CS tourney! And with two controllers! I guess this means that, yeah, both players COULD play at the same time with the same chart.

While I at least stated why I felt the way I do, you chose to just berate me and toot your own horn. Real strong argument. If you had come at this with maybe some reasons as to why you disagree (and no, simply stating that "all the good players use random" doesn't constitute as a defense here), maybe this could've been something more than you being an asshat.

As so aptly put,

you're an idiot.

Thanks and good night!

[Brazoliange]

It really has nothing to do with 'the scratch being on the other side'. It requires an entirely different hand layout, which makes charts with, say, key 7 16th streaming jacks alternating with 16th scratches a lot easier for 1P than 2P.

By offering Random, it allows both players equal option to random. Players who use it realize they will need to be good at both good randoms and bad randoms. This is why it is better fit for a tournament setting; each player is offered to gamble for an alternate chart which may be better suited to their needs than the original. Because both players know the risk, it entirely comes down to which player plays best.

[Bloodkraze]

I have to agree with Budd on this one and anyone that tells me that I can't chime in because I don't play IIDX as well as they do can take their head out of their ass. It doesn't take an expert at IIDX to understand game mechanics and the nature of competitors.

Seeing as how Brazilionage there insists on playing on the right side, and I'm supposing Modarius chooses to play on the left the note chart difference between them isn't a factor because the factor of playing on this sides is a constant.

I'm also going out on a limb here to say while, "It requires an entirely different hand layout, which makes charts with, say, key 7 16th streaming jacks alternating with 16th scratches a lot easier for 1P than 2P." wouldn't the reverse be true also? While that is harder for the one on the right, wouldn't the opposite of that be harder on the left? I suppose it all depends on the predominate hand of the player, but once again playing on the left or right side is something you have control over.

Now over things as constant as those you can't really have a bitchfest. Once you bring in a dynamic element then that all changes. If two people are playing the game and a dynamic option of any sort has been enabled then that leaves room open for the loser to immediately claim that he got a harder chart than the winner. If you leave ANY sliver of a chance of someone claiming unfairness at their loss then you can expect that that is exactly what will happen.

While random is an option for some tournaments, DualEdge is choosing to exclude it in this one for reasons only he knows (I still think the main reason it would be excluded would be to stop bitching/whining/crying/QQing over a loss and having an excuse to cry about it). Until he gets in here and explains why he is excluding it we don't know.

All of this is my opinion (Except for the parts of it that is fact) (see what I did thar?). If I happened to miss something, fail to realize something, stated something incorrectly then feel free to respond and I'll see about correcting and trying to explain better.

And come on, no name calling that's just the sign of a poor sportsman (don't forget to take into account I'm not calling you a bad sportsman, just saying that's what bad sportsmen do.... You don't want to be one do you?!) that doesn't want to follow the rules.