Bar players!!!!

[isostrife]

Well i started this Thread in Honor of my friend Kbzon....
He always yells at me for using the bar when i play so i stopped using it...
Around here using the bar is like playing with little... The bar is there for a reason but... Why use it???

[THD5%]

baring is just a preferance made by players.

for some, the constant same balance makes staying on beat much easier (thats why i bar, i loose my balance and am of on step timing when i dont bar)


but the bar can also be for focusing weight, so not all your weight is on your legs, but also on your hands, which are holding you up on the rail.

[Uiru]

Clinging to the bar looks retarded. I mean, I know you're not the epitome of cool in the first place up there playing arrow smash, but come on. At least try.
~Uiru

[deepbluevibes]

Originally Posted by Uiru

Clinging to the bar looks retarded. I mean, I know you're not the epitome of cool in the first place up there playing arrow smash, but come on. At least try.
~Uiru

I only use the bar on FAXX and my own crazy 14+ step a second edits, but honestly, i'd rather pass the song/FC/AAA it, using the bar, than fail it/do shitty on it without it.

[Ry0Kanzaki]

I've never used a bar but i imagine it would take a lot of fun away from it, i have fun just dancing i dont really care what letter the screen says at the end of the song. besides, it's a dance simulator, what other kind of dance would you see someone holding onto a bar, except at a strip club!

[Razer]

I do not need the bar, but I prefer using it since reading 160+ songs on 3x , 240+ on 2x, and 300+ on 1.5x speed is difficult without the bar helping me shift my weight quickly enough to read the arrows.

[Hsanrb]

My opinion is that the bar is there for safety reasons, so that arcades can't get sued about someone falling and getting hurt. When your about to slip and fall, using the bar to rebalance yourself is ok, it's just when people use it more than 5% of the song is the problem. Personally I think using a controller/keyboard is about the same skill as using the bar. The bar should be banned from tournaments completely regardless whether your doing Boom Boom Dollar light or Legend Road. Speed mods don't affect me as much as this new bar using craze, unless it changes the difficult of a song completely (Bag anyone?).

[Victamone]

I hate when people rip on the bar. I use it on 10's and up and some other songs when I'm trying to AAA it or get a SDG AA(9 footers mainly). I can AAA stuff without it(most of my AAA's are non-bar) but the bar helps alot on faster songs in my opinion. When people rip on the bar there's no point. Yeah it doesn't look cool, but your not going for looks.. Your going for a good score.

[Pandemonium X]

i only use the bar on 10 footers or my life bar is low. 7 feet and lower the bar is a no no

[Sigma X]

Originally Posted by Razer_2mb

I do not need the bar, but I prefer using it since reading 160+ songs on 3x , 240+ on 2x, and 300+ on 1.5x speed is difficult without the bar helping me shift my weight quickly enough to read the arrows.

My playing style is very similar to this, as I prefer to play almost everything that isn't a 10 on 3x or higher. I learned how to play the game no bar and I am completely capable of playing well without it, but it does get more difficult playing at higher speeds (over 450bpm) without bar use. Playing no bar on the faster 10s isn't the easiest thing for me either, but I don't really play those much anyway.

Originally Posted by isostrife

Around here using the bar is like playing with little...

I can't see that as a fair comparison. Using the bar doesn't make things that much easier (at least not to the extent that Little does). The bar in some cases can actually make songs more difficult, since it limits your movement and occasionally forces you to double-step more than you would probably like to (and spinning is near impossible unless you're really flexible). If you want an example of this, look at the end of exotic ethnic Heavy Double. Using the bar is pretty much out of the question. It also makes things like the Trip Machine series a whole lot less fun to play.

Either way, personal preference rules in the end. If you like it, use it; if not, don't.

[Kanpachi]

As far as me, I don't use the bar that much unless I want to save a bit of energy or I have a stomach cramp (which I get, like, how many times?). I never figured out how to use it (although one time I had slippery shoes, so I barred Twilight Zone, B4U, and So Deep), but there are some times you can use it to save energy on actions that you don't want to expend energy too much. Say, the machine gun steps on Ska a Go Go. I held the bar a bit and did the machine gun steps, and it helped a lot.

I've never used a bar on a 10 footer. Of course, lots of other people do. Don't get pressured by what other people say, it's your money, not theirs.

[Paradox0]

Originally Posted by Hsanrb

Personally I think using a controller/keyboard is about the same skill as using the bar.

LOL. You've obviously never used the bar. It makes songs maybe 1/4-1/3 easier but nowere near as easy as just using a keyboard(legs versus fingers which will tire you out more). Sure in DDR I think barring can be silly on most songs but once you get to the 12+ difficulty charts of ITG, Playing barless is only an option to people who have an amazing amount of skill. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there as well who can do 13's on the keyboard but probably wouldn't do to well playing even with the bar.

Tired Rant is go

[sylcmyk+]

I only use the bar for when I start getting lazy for PSMO. I'm trying to do PSMO without bar but then my sides start getting this wierd feeling towards the ending with the nice crossovers

[deepbluevibes]

Originally Posted by Hsanrb

My opinion is invalid because I think that changing the speed of a song "changes the difficulty of a song completely"

bag is not hard on 1x. it is not hard on 1x flat. your whole point became invalid, using speed mods is far more of "making things easier" than the bar.

estimation; around at least 80% of the current DDR community uses speed mods.

estimation; around 10% of that 80% could do just as well without speed mods. the rest would get far worse scores on 1x than they would on higher speed mods.

estimation; only about 40% of players use the bar.

going by this, using speed mods is something that more players need to be able to pass hard songs, than is using the bar. so if you want to talk about things making the game "easier", quit using speed mods. gg

[Rojo-Ky]

Whether bar makes it easier: Fact.

Bar use in personal casual play: Play however you freaking want.

Bar use for obtaining competitive scores/online ranking sites/tournaments: Widely accepted unless specifically banned.

People yelling at others for using the bar: Idiots.