G4 Is At It Again - Page 2

HioMrSan · 09-19-2006, 06:35 AM

To be fair, BMUS did kinda suck...?
Look at it through the eyes of a casual mainstream gamer? Are they going to want GH's music, or random japanese songs that no one has ever heard of, except people who like bemani? Not to mention the game looks like crap, and the songlist is crap.

Also, PPP does have "gay" music, and it would make any insecure person self concious. (Why the hell did they bother to review a Japanese Import Only Game, and then make fun of how it would be to an American audience?... ) That almost is rascist making fun of another person dialect, but thats the only thing that bothered me.

Seriously, from the eyes of a mainstream gamer, all their points are valid. From someone who actually cares about bemani and other music games besides GH, I can see why your pissed, but realistically, no one cares. Not even hardcore Dance nuts at the arcades. Most haven't even heard about IIDX or PPP and thats about the only bemani representation in America.

The show exists to sell itself. Nothing more, Nothing Less. They have a target audience and real gamers aren't it. I don't see why some shitty TV show has everyone pissed off.

モネ? · 09-19-2006, 06:47 AM

It's not jsut dance games though. When X-play does it import segments, it usualy is just for jokes. Also, if the game isn't a SE title(surpisgnly), they don't give favor to many rpgs either like DJP said.

G4 use to be good, but it's grown into crap and it sickens me to see this. I remember the old days when x-play was more balanced in thier reviews and more kind to Japanese games in general. I really don't know what happend.

TripleJ666 · 09-19-2006, 07:03 AM

I honestly can't believe how pathetic this romp is. Realize this: you're all a bunch of rabid fanboys. It doesn't matter if the game(s) suck, you're all gonna buy 'em anyway. This is just as bad as the whiny anime fans. "OMG I can't believe you gave Fullmetal Alchemist a 2 out of 5! This is bigotry!!!"

I hate to break it to ya, but X-Play is a review show meant to cater to the greater audience, not just anime fans, and not just Bemani fans. Not everyone in this world is a Bemani buff. They're reviews are unbiased, from a median standpoint, telling it like it is, informing the general consensus (or those not as informed as yourselves) on whether or not a game is actually any good. They're doing there job, so quit whining

You seem to like to point out Guitar Hero a lot. Well, my friends, whether you like it or not, it is a great game that set fresh presedence in the music game genre. Come on, how many iterations of Bemani games have they're been now? It's all pretty much the same freakin' game, with new music or some BS gimmick attached to it. Guitar Hero, my friends, was new. Bemani cannot be king forever, as harsh as that may sound.

And in closing, I'd just like to say: What the hell does it matter? They could rate the game a 1, and you'd all still buy it, just cause it's got the Bemani label on it; The exact same way I run out and buy a game with Square Enix on the side (yeah, I bought Dirge of Cerberus :P). We're all a bunch of suckers, plain and simple.

One more thing: I'm NOT a G4 fanboy or the like; honestly, I don't watch the network at all anymore. But I just couldn't sit here and listen to all the hating going on when it's all complete ignorance. X-Play is doing its job just fine, bringing those who watch it "brutally honest" reviews. You don't wanna hear what they have to say? Change the stupid channel. Seriously, people.

Mr. Koiwai · 09-19-2006, 07:36 AM

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Guitar Hero, my friends, was new.

Let's see... Guitar Freaks existed six years before Guitar Hero, which is the exact same gameplay sans two buttons.

How does that make Guitar Hero new, may I ask?

To re-iterate though, I would like to ask all Bemanistyle members to boycott G4 until some changes are made. It was a sucky channel to begin with.

akurybo · 09-19-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by モネ?

TechTV use to be good, but G4 has grown into crap and it sickens me to see this.

fix'd.

HioMrSan · 09-19-2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleJ666

I honestly can't believe how pathetic this romp is. Realize this: you're all a bunch of rabid fanboys. It doesn't matter if the game(s) suck, you're all gonna buy 'em anyway.

Not really, It seems most releases of bemani still have the same great gameplay, with a different selection of music. Music is entirely subjective, so you have the same great gameplay, yet the music might be different for each. So really any game could be the worst or best depending on the player. Hence they are going to be doing genre themed version of Guitar Hero. GH Country, Metal, etc...

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I hate to break it to ya, but X-Play is a review show meant to cater to the greater audience, not just anime fans, and not just Bemani fans. Not everyone in this world is a Bemani buff. They're reviews are unbiased, from a median standpoint, telling it like it is, informing the general consensus (or those not as informed as yourselves) on whether or not a game is actually any good. They're doing there job, so quit whining

I understand what your driving at, but their "median" just seems to be a word for "mainstream dumbass who don't play video games". So they aren't really balanced and fair, they cater to dumbasses who think Madden 216500 is the "Greatest game evar!!!!111" and that Grand Theft Auto is a way of life. If they actually reviewed unbiased with a true casual gamer approach, I think they would have a lot less critism.

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You seem to like to point out Guitar Hero a lot. Well, my friends, whether you like it or not, it is a great game that set fresh presedence in the music game genre. Come on, how many iterations of Bemani games have they're been now? It's all pretty much the same freakin' game, with new music or some BS gimmick attached to it. Guitar Hero, my friends, was new. Bemani cannot be king forever, as harsh as that may sound.

I agree with you, but you must realize that Guitar Hero is a spinoff of Guitar Freaks. Much like ITG to DDR. Also when the next sequel of GH comes out, and probably many to follow, isn't it still going to be "pretty much the same freakin' game, with new music or some BS gimmick attached to it" ?

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And in closing, I'd just like to say: What the hell does it matter? They could rate the game a 1, and you'd all still buy it, just cause it's got the Bemani label on it; The exact same way I run out and buy a game with Square Enix on the side (yeah, I bought Dirge of Cerberus :P). We're all a bunch of suckers, plain and simple.

You're just defeating your arguement. I thought FF7 was ok, but still vastly overrated. But, I didn't buy that horrible quick buck game because I knew it was a bunch of crap(Dirge of Cerberus). Not everyone is a fanboy to a company.

I know it sounds like blatant fanboyism, but most bemani is still a good solid game dispite its numerous sequels. Not much changes in basic gameplay, like you've said, and if it still has good gameplay, does it matter if this is the 14th game in the series?

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You don't wanna hear what they have to say? Change the stupid channel. Seriously, people.

Amen to that.

MidnightRecession · 09-19-2006, 08:50 AM

I'm looking forward to the special where they read the worst letters on the show :\

Snapps · 09-19-2006, 09:04 AM

It's great how we think these emails will make them care, but I am almost sure they will laugh at them thinking they did a great job pissing off a community.

Most of their show is to put down games that they don't like, even with little research of the game like shown here with BM. How they can compare it so easily to GH is something most people that aren't into this community would do, because they have no knowledge of rhythm games and they like what today's culture is, aka rock scene.

A ton of people just won't like rhythm games unless it's something the people here in America are into, like GH, which i'm assuming most of the buyers don't even know its a rhythm based game.

It's still widely their opinion and just because we email them about how they treat their segments, it doesn't seem likely that they will change how they operate.

Digi379 · 09-19-2006, 09:05 AM

This affair reminds me of the polemics spawned by the releases of Rez and ICO...

Seriously, they should have got INTO the game to be able to make a decent critic. It's a matter of like what, 3 hours?
I remember someone on a blog who made a ranting about how people say that anime x is bad without having watched it, the ranting person said something like "You have to watch at least 3 episodes before even trying to criticize anime x". Something that I cannot be reproached for because, for all fandoms I've dared criticizing this far, I made the decent effort to get INTO those fandoms.

But at least I'm glad I can't receive G4 where I live. If that can reassure you, not all videogame channels are like this, our national gaming channel GameOne made an impartial report about the musical gaming trend in Japan, and the genre was presented as something to be considered, not as an "alien thing reserved for otakus only". They even started off their expose by saying that Japanese people are very fond of music games, since they have created... karaoke!

**warning! Bad pun incoming!**

What can I say? G2 > G4 anyway...

One more lovely precision

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They could rate the game a 1, and you'd all still buy it, just cause it's got the Bemani label on it

I'm an FF fan, yet I did not buy Ehrgheiz

:P so there!

**CStarFlare** · 09-19-2006, 09:16 AM

Guys, did anyone stop to think why they randomly decided to review an obscure import game from a series that died five years ago.

Perhaps because after their beatmania review, they knew they had found a fanbase whos buttons they could easily push?

dj_asian_rebirth · 09-19-2006, 09:27 AM

This review is so full of shit. There's no background info at all stated within this video. There are many people who live on my dorm floor who say that they would rather test the dificulty of beatmania than Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is fun and all, but it should not be compared to beatmania because although the concepts of both games are the same, the style of both differs. And as for background, there is much culture behind this Bemani respected game. I give this review from X-Play 0 out of 5 due to lack of information, respect, and such that lies along those lines.

Reenee · 09-19-2006, 09:35 AM

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Guys, did anyone stop to think why they randomly decided to review an obscure import game from a series that died five years ago.

Clincher ftw.

You guys think I should spread the word at DDRUK?

TraumaFox · 09-19-2006, 09:40 AM

Here's the e-mail I sent them:

"Please, please, please stop making uninformed reviews of sleeper games. Every time you guys go on about how awful a game is just because it's Japanese, my usual routine of getting the latest video game news and reviews gets totally overtaken by a neverending flood of teenagers whining about how much they hate you. It's obvious you're doing this all intentionally to push buttons (or arrows, or sensors), and it was a bit humorous at first, but now it's simply aggravating. If you're going to stir up controversy, can't you do it in a niche that isn't full of borderline masses willing to fly into a frenzy every time someone has an opinion they don't like?

Sincerely,
An Annoyed Gamer"

HioMrSan · 09-19-2006, 10:15 AM

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Guys, did anyone stop to think why they randomly decided to review an obscure import game from a series that died five years ago.

Perhaps because after their beatmania review, they knew they had found a fanbase whos buttons they could easily push?

It was probably just because its so easy to make fun of.

Random Worker:"hey guys I found another weird japanese game we can showcase!"

Boss:"OY! What is it this time!"

Random Worker"Its like that Dance Dance game all those otaku kids play, except you actually need to dance! And get this ! The music is really gay!"

Onlookers: "Oh wow! This is priceless!

Random Worker:"This is going to be great! We can do a bad comedy act, and give our fans a look at those crazy japanese and their video games!"

Boss: "Perfect! Johnson get to it right away! Be sure to include many references to gay jokes, and be sure to be insensitive to other's cultures! It will give us that raw edgey feel that makes it sell!"

Snapps · 09-19-2006, 10:15 AM

Ok, here is what I sent to the xplay email about an hour ago:

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So I'm in that Rhythm Game community thing and a lot of us are emailing you guys our concerns about the show and segments.

Obviously you guys will think it's funny that you're getting all of this mail, hate or not, that is based around what you guys are showing on your show when it's really just your guy's thoughts on each game.

I know the basis of the show is opinionated by the X-Play staff, but try to do a bit more research on your game segments before blatantly shooting down many of your video games with opinions, and less facts about the game.